There, that's better.
At 01:26 PM 5/3/2009, you wrote:
DMB:
O.K. no more movie quotes but it was fun.
You observed that life can seem pointless and
repetitious ( in Detroit, for example ). I think
we can agree that you are observing a low quality static holding pattern.
I claim that your observation implies the
hypothesis: There must be a better way.
I further claim that the only way to test this
hypothesis is to live differently.
Therefore talking, or hypothesizing, might be a
necessary first step towards a higher quality
situation, but it is insufficient. One needs gumption.
And gumption is where the rubber meets the road.
Gumption is action. Gumption is taking chances.
I get the sense that you take gumption for granted. Am I wrong?
you point out:
"I think this is what Pirsig is talking about when he says that one of
the biggest gumption suckers is value rigidity. Holding fast to static
patterns is what gets us stuck. And this stuckness is the prelude to a
dynamic expansion of values."
Is it a prelude? Obviously some people don't ever get un-stuck.
My point in all of this is that the moq is
meaningless if it is not actually applied in some living way.
...Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar ...
Or perhaps we agree.
--- On Sun, 5/3/09, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote:
From: david buchanan <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MD] head, heart and hands
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 2:56 AM
vonderwueste said to dmb: "Don't dream it ... BE
it" - Rocky Horror The things that you mentioned
represent low quality static holding patterns.
Your implicit hypothesis states: There must be a better way.
How do you suppose we might test the validity of this hypothesis?
"He received no official clearance ... he just
thought it up and did it ... the balls!" - Willard
dmb says:
Sorry, but you lost me. I can see that you don't
approve but that's about all I can see. While
it's not crazy to think there must be a better
way, I don't see how this is my "implied"
hypothesis. That thought never crossed my mind.
And yes, Kurtz got off the boat and split from
the whole fucking program. Yes, Kurtz was
brilliant and he had balls. But it's also true
that Kurtz was psychotic. He was a monster.
Willard is a successful hero because he resisted
the temptation to replace Kurtz.
Did you somehow get the impression that my
advice was to just dream and watch movies
instead of live your life? That is definitely
NOT what I'm saying. As you may have noticed in
the Campbell quotes I posted in my reply to
Marsha, the journey is not something that can be
accomplished vicariously. As he and so many
others have pointed out, it's something we all
have to do alone. This mythology stuff is a
living, breathing thing. Artists like Coppola
are constantly finding new ways to evoke and inspire people with these symbols.
And as for the "low quality static holding
patterns". The actual and explicit hypothesis is quite the opposite...
"The agony of breaking through personal
limitations is the agony of spiritual growth.
Art, literature, myth and cult, philosophy, and
ascetic disciplines are instruments to help the
individual past his limiting horizons into
spheres of ever-expanding realizations." Campbell 190
"The mythological hero is the champion not of
things become but of things becoming; the dragon
to be slain by hims is precisely the monster of
the status quo: Holdfast, the keeper of the
past. ..With a gesture as simple as the pressing
of a button, he annihilates the impressive
configurations. The hero-deed is a continuous
shattering of the crystallizations of the
moment. The cycle rolls: mythology focuses on
the growing point. Transformation, fluidity, not
stubborn ponderosity, is the characteristic of
the living God. ..Briefly, the ogre-tyrant is
the champion of the prodigious fact, the hero
the champion of creative life." Campbell 337
I think this is what Pirsig is talking about
when he says that one of the biggest gumption
suckers is value rigidity. Holding fast to
static patterns is what gets us stuck. And this
stuckness is the prelude to a dynamic expansion
of values. Different terms, same idea.
For whatever it's worth,
dmb
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