[Willblake]
You are confusing level of complexity for being different.  From a
much higher level, it is all the same.  Rejoice in being just
one of the ten thousand things, we have no Godlike power, we
are not super beings.  We are not different from the forest.  We
all just cycle through time and again.

[Krimel]
You keep going on in this vein. You seem to assume the complexity is linear.
There is just more of it or less of it and it is all the same. I think not.
There are lots of examples of nonlinearity. In fact that's what any "level"
or stage theory implies. Such theories assert at qualitative shift from one
point to another. A star collapses and becomes a blackhole, a tribe becomes
a city, a straw breaks a camel's back, a large enough pile of neurons
becomes aware of itself.

When we shift points of view or as Case would say when we "zoom in, zoom out
and refocus," things do indeed look similar. That is called self similarity
across scale and yes there is enormous complexity at each level. Still each
level of resolution allows for differences in the kinds of forms and
relationship it supports. So in fact we do have Godlike powers. We can blow
up the planet, change the composition of the atmosphere. We can burn down
the forest and replant it with genetically engineered black roses.

A cycle is not always circle. It is more often a spiral and the issue is
whether we are spiraling up into expanding vistas or down into the point of
no return.




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