Hi Krimel, As I said in the post after one you respond to, which deals with the complexity that you are referring to, I stated that complexity is fractal in nature. That is, as you say the same whether you zoom in or zoom out, or self similar. That was in fact my point, which I'm sure with your scientific leaning you would appreciate. Not linear. In fact I was debating the notion that complexity as presented by the human brain, is of any significance at all.
I would not equate destruction with Godliness. If that were the case a hurricane makes us look like kittens. Godlike would be more like changing the laws of gravity everywhere, making like charges attract, having a notion of reality that was real and not just a collection of nerves that self indulges in its own electrical dance. Forests burn down all the time, species are made extinct all the time, the air was polluted with oxygen many many years ago. We are just part of that cycle, not separate from it. We are nature, we are the big bang in progress, we are the same as a forest, exactly. That is what is so wonderful about it all. Cheers, Willblake2 On May 19, 2009, at 6:58:30 AM, Krimel <[email protected]> wrote: [Willblake] You are confusing level of complexity for being different. From a much higher level, it is all the same. Rejoice in being just one of the ten thousand things, we have no Godlike power, we are not super beings. We are not different from the forest. We all just cycle through time and again. [Krimel] You keep going on in this vein. You seem to assume the complexity is linear. There is just more of it or less of it and it is all the same. I think not. There are lots of examples of nonlinearity. In fact that's what any "level" or stage theory implies. Such theories assert at qualitative shift from one point to another. A star collapses and becomes a blackhole, a tribe becomes a city, a straw breaks a camel's back, a large enough pile of neurons becomes aware of itself. When we shift points of view or as Case would say when we "zoom in, zoom out and refocus," things do indeed look similar. That is called self similarity across scale and yes there is enormous complexity at each level. Still each level of resolution allows for differences in the kinds of forms and relationship it supports. So in fact we do have Godlike powers. We can blow up the planet, change the composition of the atmosphere. We can burn down the forest and replant it with genetically engineered black roses. A cycle is not always circle. It is more often a spiral and the issue is whether we are spiraling up into expanding vistas or down into the point of no return. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
