Will,
I do not see any problems with the MOQ as it is, it is perfect. The
conflict seems to be one of interpretation and getting caught within
the patterns. imho. I love your last paragraph, it is wonderful,
but I could be content being the moon.
Marsha
At 11:22 PM 5/19/2009, you wrote:
Hi Marsha,
I hadn't thought of the words in that way before.
Nice.
Yes, letting go of self, of the ego, of self consciousness. The attainment
of truth, liberation, as the Upanishads, Buddha, Taoism, Zen, would all
claim. I believe in that and am working towards that too.
I would seem from recent interpretations of MoQ (which is obviously
still in the making) that such release is not consistent with this
philosophy. In fact the claim is we are subject to group behavior
not individual expression.
But, as Pirsig has said in interviews, MoQ is waiting for the next
independent thinker, to carry it along. It would seem Pirsig is
waiting as well. Plato had his academy, current philosophies have
the Internet. Much more powerful and capable of generating
a synthesis of ideas, and even new ones, if there is actually
something new under the sun. What an opportunity!
Me, I want to live from the inside out, not the outside in; I want to
radiate, not absorb, , I wantto be a sun, not a black hole, I want to be
responsible, not a victim. All this can result from freedom
of the confining, needing, ego, "grasping and clinging" as a
translation of the early writers of Buddha's teachings would stress.
Cheers,
Willblake2
On May 18, 2009, at 12:58:47 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Will,
The song 'Suicide is Painless' seems to be perfect to accompany your
Alan Watts piece. It is about life and very playful For me, it's
always been about the suicide of the ego, 'and I and take or leave
it, if I please', and 'The sword of time will pierce our skins'. The
reference to time is ego. It seems full Buddhist wisdom relating to
pain and suffering, and letting go. I bet Alan Watts would have
loved the song.
Here are the lyrics:
Through early morning fog I see visions of the things to be
The pains that are withheld for me I realize and I can see . . .
That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please.
I try to find a way to make all our little joys relate
Without that ever-present hate but now I know that it's too late,
and . . .That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please.
The game of life is hard to play. I'm gonna lose it anyway.
The losing card I'll someday lay so this is all I have to say.
That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please.
The only way to win is cheat and lay it down before I'm beat,
and to another give my seat for that's the only painless feat.
That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please.
The sword of time will pierce our skins it doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in the pain grows stronger . . . watch it
grin, but . . .
That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please.
A brave man once requested me to answer questions that are key
'Is it to be or not to be' and I replied 'oh why ask me?'
That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please.
And you can do the same thing if you choose.
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At 03:08 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote:
>Bring back so many memories. Thanks for that, it made my day!
>
>Willblake2
>
>
>On May 17, 2009, at 10:33:51 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>An analogy with music, my favorite song:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yc52NckGLs
>
>
>Marsha
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 01:20 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote:
>
> >Grab a cup of coffee, relax, spend 9 minutes with Alan Watts "Is
> it serious?"
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asqd1H4IluQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdeoxy%
> 2Eorg%2Fvidplay%3Fv%3Dasqd1H4IluQ&feature=player_embedded
> >
> >Willblake2
>
>
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