Marsha, Well said! A clear, concise summary of Bo's position as ever posted. Just to add a bit to it I ran across in reviewing Pirsig's notes to the LS his description of S/O as "scientific thinking." (Notes 56 & 59) I thought that hit the nail on the proverbial head. What we need is less scientific thinking and more aesthetic thinking -- a cause you have championed from the get go.
Platt On 21 May 2009 at 8:50, MarshaV wrote: > > Ron, > > I'm talking, like Bo, of the explanatory strength > of the MOQ. It seems to me that if it is clearly > stated that the Intellectual Level is of > subject/object patterns it becomes very clear > that dwelling in the Intellectual Level (no how > exalted it seems) is not going to get you to the MOQ point-of-view. > > > Marsha > > > > At 08:43 AM 5/21/2009, you wrote: > >Marsha, I think the point is clinging to that > >entrapment. It takes a bravery and a > >fearlessness to overcome it. As the Sophists say > >and many others, excellence is a practice, like > >the entrapment. We were taught to practice s/o > >over a long period of growth like wise we must > >teach ourselves and reinforce excellence over a > >long peroid of growth. The impossiblity of > >escape disolves with the practice of excellence. > >I have found the four agreements works well > >within the four levels of excellence and > >reinforces their meaning. Ruiz says that by > >slowly breaking the agreements made with the > >small self and replacing them with the > >agreements of Quality, through practice we will > >be free of it. they are:  BE IMPECCABLE WITH > >YOUR WORD Speak with integrity. Say only what > >you mean. Avoid using the word to speak against > >yourself or to gossip about others. Use the > >power of your word in the direction of truth and > >love. DONâEURTMT TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLY Nothing > >others do is because of you. What others say and > >do is a projection of their own reality, their > >own dream. When you are immune to the opinions > >of others, you wonâEURTMt be the victim of needless > >suffering. DONâEURTMT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS Find the > >courage to ask questions and to express what you > >really want. Communicate with others as clearly > >as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness, > >and drama. With just this one agreement, you can > >completely transform your life. ALWAYS DO YOUR > >BEST Your best is going to change from moment to > >moment; it will be different when you are > >healthy as opposed to sick. Under any > >circumstance, simply do your best, and you will > >avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret. > >   ________________________________ From: > >MarshaV <[email protected]> To: > >[email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 21, > >2009 5:50:48 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Protestant > >Capitalism Ron, Don't you think Bo has a valid > >point. It seems impossible to breakaway from > >the subject/object chatter which is entrapment. > >Marsha At 04:17 AM 5/21/2009, you > >wrote: >Ron > >On 19 May you wrote: > > > Are > >you saying that Platt is on firm MoQ ground by > >being > > anti-intellectual? > >Yes, the > >greatest obstacle is the 4th. level because - > >prior to the MOQ >- it was > >reality itself (like the 3rd and 2nd. and > >1st have been in their >time) Platt isn't > >"anti-intellectual", but sees the 4th. level > >for >what it is, >namely a static level that > >refuses a dynamic pattern to form a new >reality > >The MOQ is of course no static level, but in > >this particular >context it has a level-like > >relationship with intellect. > > > Also, are you > >saying that ALL intellectual patterns are more > >moral than > > social patterns? > >Yes, > >intellect is the highest static level, yet the > >mere knowledge of the >dynamic/static context > >(that the upper level is dependent the > >lower >level for its own good) prevents > >intellect from undermining its social >base. The > >big question is if it prevents the MOQ from > >undermining its >own base - intellect - I mean > >if it can go on after being reduced to a >static > >level? (footnote). > > > Essentially you are > >saying that no one knows intellectual quality > >unless > > they subscribe to your SOL. > >-Ron > >That's right, but it isn't really "my > >SOL" In ZAMM's proto-moq there is >just one > >"static" (classic) level - the SOM - but it's > >also called >"intellect" >so it was clearly > >Phaedrus's original idea. And in LILA there are > >many >indications that SOM is no foreign matter > >that has polluted intellect, but >the very > >article. > >IMO > >Bo > > >Footnote: >This is > >the "intellect joining forces with biology to > >quell society" >phenomenon brought one notch > >up. The MOQ joining forces with >social value to > >quell intellect. This would be a disaster and > >why I at >times wonder about the MOQ. It's valid > >as .... but is it GOOD? >Perhaps better let it > >continue in its harmless "academical" vein, > >letting . >Anthony McWatt and David Buchanan be > >the administrators of > >Pirsig's >legacy. > > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing > >list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing > >etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_d > >iscuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqta > >lk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http:/ > >/moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ . > >_____________ The self is a thought-flow of > >ever-changing, interrelated and interconnected, > >inorganic, biological, social and intellectual, > >static patterns of value responding to Dynamic > >Quality. . . 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