Greetings Ham,
For Pete's sake, I've been saying for quite a while that for me each
and every pattern is a conceptual construct, therefore it is of the
human brain. Purpose? Security and certainty, not arete.
Marsha
At 02:05 PM 5/19/2009, you wrote:
Bodvar, Platt, DMB, Krimel, John, and All --
From the start, this thread has been a forum for PROTESTING
Capitalism. Am I wrong, or has the theme not become "Protestant
right-wingers be damned"?
Actually, I see no reason to tie Capitalism to a religious
denomination at all. The fact that many "right-wing" capitalists
happen to be Protestant doesn't mean that there are no Catholic,
Jewish, MOQist or non-theistic capitalists. Milton Friedman (a Jew)
was a follower of the Von Mises school of economics, a
capitalist-based ideology. Jonah Goldberg (Jewish) and Newt
Gingrich (Catholic) are arguably today's best spokesmen for
conservative capitalism. So why the Protestant twist?
But since Bodvar now wants to turn the discussion into a pitch for
the Quality hierarchy (by redefining Intellect), I have a few
comments to throw his way.
[Bo]:
No level can "check" itself, the 3rd. went all out in a social frenzy
whiled it was "leading edge", humans as biological organisms (2nd.
level value) was valuable only to the degree they were willing to
sacrifice themselves for "the common cause". We still see it in the
social value-steeped cultures - particularly the islamic one - where the
individual has no chance if not part of the faith and the will to sacrifice
the highest good. It was not until intellectual value emerged that
individual worth and humanism gradually took precedence.
But intellect is a static level and can as little check itself as
the rest and
its relentless subduing of social value knows no limit and has caused
the said looseness and insecurity. Intellect's S/O don't recognize any
personal responsibility, we are either determined by our genes
(objectivity) or victims of social injustice (subjectivity) . Only from
MOQ's meta-level can the complete picture be seen, but this requires
the 4th level to be regarded as initially intended. As long as we want
the MOQ accepted by intellect's (=academy's) terms ... forget it.
Rather than dismiss the intellect of academia, I think we could all
profit by standing back from the hierarchy and taking a look at
where it has gotten us.
What I see from the descriptions proffered is a set of mechanical
cogwheels, like the gears in a 4-speed transmission system, running
from the largest (Inorganic) to the smallest (Intellectual ), with
Biological and Social filling in the gap. Evolution starts by
driving the largest wheel at the slowest speed. After our vehicle
has overcome inertia and is proceeding at a constant rate, it shifts
into second gear and begins to develop life forms at a more rapid
pace. Another shift engages the 3rd evolutionary wheel and Man
emerges on the scene. Finally, as we near the breakneck speed of
civilization, evolution shifts to 4th gear and Intellect drives
mankind to enlightnment, changing his perspective of the world ever after.
To use another anology, all of the pins in a turnkey lock have to
engage in a specific order so we can open the door to reality. The
point I'm crudely trying to illustrate is that, according to Mr.
Pirsig, this whole unfolding of the universe is an automatic process
whose consequences.are indifferent to man, his thoughts, values and
aspirations. No matter how poetic your description of the MoQ
hierachy, it's a mechanistic paradigm that runs its predetermined
course inexorably toward cosmic "betterness", with or without man's
participation. Notwithstanding Pirsig's emphasis on Value, am I the
only one who finds this scenario cold, unyielding, and inhuman?
Thanks for hearing me out.
--Ham
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