Krimel, I think the context in which people communicate says alot about what they value in terms of meaning. There are those that value empiricism or what is commonly referred to as inductive reasoning and those who prefer rationalism or deductive reasoning.
I think it is important when having these discussions at least when the conversation leads to physics, that a proper foundation in quantum physics is desired because that is where the two meet in practicle theory. This is where empirists question the level of deduction in their observations and rationalists are grounded in the inductive consequences of their deductions. Newtonian concepts still clutter up the field of debate even now. The bogeyman that really isn't there anymore except in common amatuer assumptions of entityship and vacuumes. I think the discussions could get very interesting because then it turns toward the validity in meaning in the vien of Pragmatism. Because, I think, everyone here can agree that in a universe of value, meaning is primary, relative and contextual. truth is the value of meaning. -ron ________________________________ From: Krimel <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:27:16 AM Subject: Re: [MD] LC: Expanded Annotation 57 [John] Krimel's physical base seems like just a plain old physical base, something you set a vase on, value free. Or rather, perhaps having value as in different values, but no such thing as good and bad. [Krimel] "Plain old physical base"? Is that like in boring humdrum, been there done that? I suspect that is what the "all who get it" folks think. Or as I like to call them the Aw-Gi Cult as in" "Aw Gi doesn't that feel nice?" Look at just how weird and mysterious the "physical base" is: time and space changing shape and morphing, tiny bits phasing in and out of existence, fractional dimensions in infinite number overlapping in patterns of interference, dynamic flows of energy and matter spontaneously taking shapes of infinite complexity. You call that "plain old"? Sure the Aw-Gi Cult thinks this is yucky and prefer to treat their navels like Jack Honer's pie. They want to sit in the corner and think about what clever boys and girls they are because they have found a way to massage their frontal lobes into "oneness" without any math or logic or any "thing" at all. But I never said there was no such thing as good and bad, only that they are relative terms. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
