Oh, and I forgot to say ... I do agree with the Krim quoting Santayana that to seek something is to pre-suppose its existence. It's not that people don't do that contingently - claiming to be happy if they and when are show to be wrong - it's that it distorts the world model people hold whilst doing their seeking.
Regards Ian On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Ian Glendinning <[email protected]> wrote: > Excuse me asking John, but where does that expression "It's all good" > come from ... I keep seeing people using it in diverse contexts ... > > Like you I prefer a human dialogue to simply asking my question of > Google or Wikipedia ;-) > > Ian > > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:06 PM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: >> Krimel, >> I disagree with you, but I want to commend you for your rhetoric. You make >> good points and you make me think. >> >> It's good to think. >> >> I think. >> >> Santayana's refutation is logical and true. When one is dealing with >> metaphysics, you can't have presuppositions. >> >> Its cheating. >> >> Reading Royce has been helpful because his idealism is not presupposed in >> any fashion. It is reasoned out carefully from mutually agreed upon solid >> ground. Pirsig of course, uses a more romantical approach and rhetorical >> style, but does very much the same thing in a kind of mirror effort, but >> more fun to read. But the heart of the matter is the same and they both >> illuminate the problem perfectly, as did Platt in a recent posting in a >> quote from Lila: Positive Value is a logically necessary condition for >> existence. I'm not going to repeat their respective arguments, but I just >> wanted to point out the difference between a metaphysics based upon >> presupposition and one based upon something more solid. >> >> John the dialoguer (as opposed to arguer) >> >> ------------ >> It's ALL good... >> ------------ >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
