Hello Mark, I'm trying to say that like S/O, the concept of whole complete static solids or units, seperate and distinct onto themselves is illusional, and what Imean by illusional I mean not to confuse it with the term hallucenation but a distortion, a simplification, exaggeration in such a way that it is a common quo view.
The equivilant mathmatical analogy would be the axiom of whole numbers, the limit of the round, which is a "mean" useful for purposes of calculation, but the actual measurement is constantly in flux never in a state of wholeness and completeness ever transfering with the environment ever dynamic, relative. So we constantly measure with our senses and the mean is a simplification of a rich ever changing interrelative experience we all share like taste buds of quality licking itself......heh but we call the individual memory of each moment "me". and project from it. ahh, it's saturday morning, and this taste bud has a hangover. Quality licked itself raw over here. a groggy Ron ________________________________ From: markhsmit <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:56:31 PM Subject: Re: [MD] qUALITY Hi Xacto, If the "I" is not an entity, does that mean it is a non-entity? Or is it outside of the entity business altogether like Quality? I think that is possible. The I of experience exists with or without this body, which simply transduces the experience into a physical form. If the I is not an entity, then it cannot appear and disappear. This would be similar to the Hindu or Buddhist sense of the I. What I am still asking, is what makes the I personal? Are there individual things outside of entity? Mark On May 29, 2009, at 3:57:49 AM, "X Acto" <[email protected]> wrote: Is'nt the "I" composed of Quality? the mistake is assuming entity-ship of Quality ...one entity = one consciousness. this is not so. Quality is not an entity. niether is the "I". ________________________________ From: markhsmit <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:26:38 PM Subject: Re: [MD] qUALITY On May 28, 2009, at 7:29:33 AM, Krimel <[email protected]> wrote: From: Krimel <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MD] qUALITY Date: May 28, 2009 7:29:33 AM PDT To: [email protected] Willblake2 asks: Is Quality the immediate present (which is timeless), or is it more than that? [Krimel] Dave can fill you in on the Aw Gi party line but his friend Rosenthal says in her lecture that the present is not timeless at all. It carries with it the remnants of the past and potential of the future. I would say, with due respect to Rosenthal, that there are no remnants in the immediate present. As soon as it is captured and converted to neuronal activity or thought, it is already the past. This takes many thousands of microseconds. The immediate present has no past or future. I suppose this is Quality, but how would I know the unknowable? Don't know, but I do, just like everybody else does, every instant of every day. "I" am the knower and Quality is known (with apologies to Pirsig). Willblake2 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
