Mark said to Marsha: Yes, Mark's statement does presume a subject creating objects or thoughts. Is that a problem? What I create are impressions in my self of a world outside. That is what I am. The sum total of all of that. Are you more or less than that? (Trick question, getting you to agree with my point of view to answer).
dmb says: Yes, that would be a problem in the MOQ. Dynamic Quality is not subjective or objective. The idea is to see those as intellectual categories that follow from experience rather than the pre-existing conditions which make experience possible. Quality is experience prior to such intellectual distinctions. This is a real sticking point because people tend to imagine this pre-intellectual experience as the experience of an objective reality by the subjective experiencer. But it's important to realize that Quality is experience before there is even a distinction between knower and known. As William James rhetorically asked, is it the river that defines the banks or do the banks determine the river? If I understand the idea here, the answer is "yes". I like his analogy not only because the river and the banks always define each other but also because they are both constantly in flux. Maybe it's even an allusion to Heraclitus's saying; you can't step in the same river twice. _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
