> Platt, > To view things as a baby and how Pirsig mentions, is to drop the stereotypes > we hold and take a fresh new look. Like looking at the positives of socialism > communism and capitalism and combine them to create a society that actually > DOES value the individual, valuing individuals other than YOURSELF is > socialism you know. Platt: What are the positives of socialism and communism? Is making other individuals dependent on government for their welfare your idea of "valuing" them?
Ron: No, and thats not the goal of either nor is it of capitalism. the Goal of all is the individual dedication to social Quality. Ron prev: > That is why I have a hard time understanding your dichotomy > of value of the individual in society yet despise anything that has to do > with it > . You exalt the diversity of individuals yet despise multiculturalism > when what you really despise is moral relativism, Platt: Just in case you've forgotten, here's what Pirsig had to say about multiculturism which demands we value all cultures equally: "Cultures can be graded and judged morally according to their contribution to the evolution of life." (Lila, 24) Ron: In case you have forgotten that is cultual relativism NOT multicultualism. And Pirsig makes my point. Ron prev: > Pirsig gives us > a way to make moral judgments without the typical stereotypes > that hinder us from making Quality judgments or the paralysis > of relativism. Platt: Agree. Ron: Then whats with all the fuss about multiculturalism? Ron prev: > I'll save you the effort of the > Lila quote. > > In the veldt it's the individual that gets eaten first. United we stand, > divided we fall. > Safety in numbers. Platt: In what chapter in Lila will I find that quote? Ron: The quote refers to the one you made previously above the one you appearently agree with, please follow along. Ron prev: > The idea is to look at the Quality in everything Platt, this is what babies > do. Platt: Right. But Quality has a negative side, too. That's why among a baby's first words is, "No!". Ron: I agree Quality does have a negative side also expereinced without stereotypes by babies, Been awhile since you held a baby, toddlers say "no" because we teach them the word "no". during the terrible 2's they really exercise it. ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 9:56:24 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Think like a baby On 3 Jun 2009 at 6:29, X Acto wrote: > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:49:34 AM > Subject: [MD] Think like a baby > > All: > > There's a book out called "The Philosophical Baby." The Boston Globe > has an interesting review at: > > http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/04/26/inside_the > _baby_mind/?page=full > > If you read it I think you'll be reminded of Pirsig's thoughts about the > world as seen by babies in Chapter 9 of Lila. Perhaps you'll recall these > words: > > "This, Phaedrus thought, was why little children are usually quicker to > perceive Dynamic Quality than old people, why beginners are usually > quicker than experts, why primitive people are sometimes quicker than > those of "advanced" cultures." > > To perceive DQ -- isn't that our goal? The article suggests how we just > might be able to do that more often. > > Regards, > Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
