Mark,

I'm reading dialogues between Krishnamurti and David Bohm trying to get at it. They seem to be calling the world of thoughts 'reality', and the direct, full experience 'truth'. I know truth, but it is difficult to let go of all the thinking, the reality, the web of patterns. And if someone asked why bother, what to tell them? To ask and to tell is being back in the web of patterns. It is a matter of neither. And there is the matter of degrees. Dabbling around the edges versus going to the center of it. Krimel makes some compelling arguments, like the devil.

Capitalism? Socialism? Neuroscience? Under which shell is the pea? Before you know it you're dead, the thoughts are gone, no-thing to worry about. Lunch anyone?


Marsha




At 02:15 AM 6/3/2009, you wrote:
Hi Marsha,

Thanks for that, I am always interested in the possible applications
of science to metaphysics.  It sounds so authoritative that it leads
one to believe it is true.  But to apply the message of the film
to the film, the science, too, is just a perception.  Hard to break out of
that cave of shadows.

Calling it a soul, doesn't do much for me.  It provides no insight,
just another name.  The ending reminds me of The Matrix...
Where's Keanu when you need him?

What a web of lies we spin!

Cheers,
Willblake

On Jun 2, 2009, at 9:30:24 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
Ooops!

*** Except for the part about the soul...***


Mr. Pirsig and the Buddhists have been correct all along.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqnEGu8VF8Y









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