> > >> How is judgement related to Quality? Judgement is our apprehension of >> Quality? Judgement is the subjective realization of non-subjective >> Quality? >> > > Quality creates subject and object, so the subject judgement is secondary.
Metaphysically speaking, I agree. But personally speaking, judgement occurs to me first - it is primary. If I perceive at all, it is out of some judgement - even to the extent of judging whether something I experience is real or not, the first thing I sense is a judgement - a correspondence between consciousness and reality. I can grasp this event as a creation of Quality - but my primary experience of this Quality event is a judgement that defines myself. My apprehension of other is a form of judgement. My judgement informs me of me. Like I said... Sigh. So much to ponder, so little time. >> >> I admit my eyes sorta glaze over when someone tries to explain insight >> using >> words about something beyond thought and language. I mean, what IS the >> point? >> > > The point is experience without self-ego. And the point of that is? I'm not trying to be obstreperous. It's just that my self-ego seems to be a such a useful intellectual construct and while I believe those who claim it is possible to transcend self-consciousness I wonder in all sincerity, why? As long as I don't base my metaphysical presuppositions on this handy creation, it seems useful for walking around and dealing with the world in the way that occurs to me. In a minute, I'm gonna use mine to go brush my teeth for me. > Sure you can call it Quality. You can call it anything and fall >> into whatever word trap you prefer. I'll just go ahead and park in my >> driveway. >> > > > Chopping wood might be nice. > Well I tell you, last time I chopped wood my self-ego really came in handy. But lately I've been peeling poles cuz it's good therapy for a broken pinky; chopping is too jarring. >> "Abstract cleverness of mind only separates the thinker from the world of >> reality, and that world, the Forest of Real Life, is in a desperate >> condition now because of too many who think too much and care too little." >> > > Yes, I could agree if you mean caring with head, heart and hand. Absolutely. I like that. Head, heart and hands. And pinkies. And toes. I mention toes because one of my big ones is being pounced upon and clawed and bitten by a tiny kitten right now as I'm writing this, and I'm having to take care to wiggle it carefully. J ------------ The self is a point along a dynamic continuum, evolving toward Quality by Choice. ------------ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
