Nick several people have already shown you where NAP (as per your definition - no physical enforcement of anything, except in defense of self and property) fails to meet the MoQ.
In your words "Liberty is about no initiation of physical coercion" Simplest example is intellect is allowed to over-rule social (by force if necessary), ditto social over biological - (Kill even, kill completely, as Pirsig himself says) Basic MoQ stuff, no doubts there. DMB's style (agressive, ironically) is an acquired taste - but he knows and addresses the MoQish philosophical points (and the wider US Pragmatist context for that). If you found his recent contribution dismissive, it's because he is dismissing your aggressive ignorance of anything anyone is trying to point out to you about either the MoQ or your style of argument. The onus is on you to show why your version / working definition of NAP is relevant or even interesting to MoQ'ers. As you say it's an ancient concept. Pirsig's more recent philosophy provided layers of patterns that guide the limits to freedoms - far from leaving them absent or arbitrary. Ian On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:16 PM, blue-jay maple<[email protected]> wrote: > gav, > > Show me where the NAP doesn't fit into the moq? If the > moq is about physical coercion, then I will gladly leave this > forum cause I don't want to be around violent people. Dmb, > has not debunked the NAP and can't show me how it is not quality > and yet he believes he has dismissed it. Dmb is violent therefore. > Simple deducation. Dmb has a lot to learn about life. He's never > really had a way with people that much is obvious. He's always > had a closed mind since I've been here if you want to share history > lessons. > > So gav, drop it. You know where I stand with dmb now. No need to beat > a dead horse. > > Nick > > > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
