On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote:
> Platt, > You forget that Horse owns and operates this website and censors how he > sees fit. > He is not an agent of the government and the MoQ or the discuss are not > government > intitutions and therefore he has the right to not tolerate this sort of > violent rhetoric if he so > chooses. I think he has been very tolerant and liberal in his decisions, I > doubt you would offer > the same graces. > Platt Of course Horse can block Nick's posts if he so chooses. Who is to stop him? I was appealing to a principle which Horse has chosen to ignore. If you don't think the principle applies in this case, fine. I will always defend your right to express your views. Ron You despise socialism but apeal to a socialist ideal of "social rights" Platt The right I appeal to is an "individual" right, not "social." Societies don't speak. Ron Horse is excercising his individual choice and you should respect that being a purveyeor of individualism. Platt I do. I also have expressed my gratitude for his management of this site without cost to us beneficiaries many times. Just as I respect his right as manager to muzzle Nick, I respect the right of Nick to participate here under the intellectual right of free speech. There seems to be a hidden assumption among some here that they have a monopoly on "goodness" and "truth." I consider such arrogance not only low quality but dangerous. Ron Natural laws are a collective ideal. "all men are created equal" I think Ham would have issue with that little endorsement of collectivist propaganda. Platt That phrase sanctions the primacy of the individual, not the collective. ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:35:27 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] An Observation From An Outsider > > On 9 Jun 2009 at 14:08, Louise Pryor wrote: > > > Americans who hate their country, hate it with the naive ferocity of > those > > who have no idea how the rest of the world operates. Having lived in a > > socialist monarchy, under a military dictatorship, in a tropical > paradise, > > and in a democracy, I have a different view of America. The hope my > father > > had, when he brought us here (legally) was of America as the land of > > promise. "In America anyone can be anything they want to be" was his > > understanding. He came here with $400 in his pocket and the promise of a > > job. And because what he believed is true, he found what he was looking > for. > > > > I grant that the American government is not perfect, and may be far from > > what the founding fathers had in mind, but it still has a foundation of > > freedom, whereby Nick can declare his "rights to personal property" - > right > > out loud - with very little actual threat that anyone will come in and > take > > it away from him - and plenty of recourse if anyone did. > > > > "Rights to personal property", and "individual rights", are not something > > commonly recognized world wide. The rest of the world sees Americans, in > > general, as greedy, spoiled children. > > > > "I have my rights, sir, and I'm telling you, I intend to go on doing just > > what I do!" (the Onceler to the Lorax, Dr. Seuss) > > > > Lu > > Well said, Lu. Unfortunately we see the socialist mind at work in the > overt censorship of Nick whose presence here has been summarily > taken away from him by fiat while those who blasphemed him as a > "whack-job," "paranoid violent nutcase," and "time for your meds again" > are given a free pass. Although I find ad hominem attacks a sign that > the attacker has nothing of value to say, I would never attempt to take > away his right to say it. Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes > expressed the essence of free speech as etched in the U.S. > Constitution: > > "If there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperatively calls > for attachment than any other it is the principle of free thought--not free > thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought we > hate." > > It's clear that many Europeans and others around the world do not share > this quintessential American value. > > Platt > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
