> Platt, > where do you derive this conclusion from the statement making the distinction > about speech that involves the hatred of ideas vs. speech which involves > the hatred of individuals or groups of individuals.? > > I hate some of your ideas Platt > > I however, do not hate you. > > how is this unclear?
Platt: First, because your not hating me is an idea. Secondly because speech expresses ideas, like "I however, do not hate you." Thirdly, because it is not clear what the difference is between your ideas of what you hate and don't hate in the sense that both are ideas. Ron: Making the hatred of ideas acceptable and a non issue in this regard. Platt: Hate speech comes from hate thoughts. Thus, to censor hate speech is to raise the specter of thought police. You may accept that. I don't. Ron: How exactly is the Gov. going to police your thoughts? I think thoughts about hating individuals or groups of individuals is an individual right, expressing those thoughts in literature or oration in public places is not a right. That is the line drawn, the public expression of the hatred of individuals or groups of individuals. Again, how is this unclear? If you want to get together with like minded individuals, on private property and speak about the hatred of certain indiviuals or groups of individuals you are free to do so. How is this unclear? ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:08:56 PM Subject: Re: [MD] An Observation From An Outsider On 10 Jun 2009 at 8:53, X Acto wrote: . > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:34:43 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] An Observation From An Outsider > > On 10 Jun 2009 at 8:25, X Acto wrote: > > > He did already Platt, > > "hate speech against > > > specific individuals or groups of individuals." > > > > differs from hate speech about ideas. > > > > See what I mean about reading what is written and jumping to conclusions? > > > > -Ron > > So is it your idea that someone can speak without having any idea of > what she is saying? > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:15:39 AM > > Subject: Re: [MD] An Observation From An Outsider > > > > On 10 Jun 2009 at 17:03, Andre Broersen wrote: > > > > > Platt to Andre: > > > > > > Does your country have a law against hate speech? If so, do you support > > > it? > > > > > > Andre: > > > In Holland we enjoy freedom of speech and the hate may be expressed > > > against > > > any IDEA circulated. (recent verdict of the high court). This I fully > > > support. The story is different when one begins to spout hate speech > > > against > > > specific individuals or groups of individuals. > > > > > > Nice diversion and good try but do answer the questions posed Platt. > > > > So you do support hate speech laws? Right? > > > > Can you explain the difference between an idea spoken and a hateful > > idea spoken? > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
