We may agree or disagree in side issues. I admit that I am fearful about some things. Seems reasonable to me. You on the other hand have your own Bogus-mans: KKK, Nazis, bomb tossing crazies, to name a few. The Red Herring Boys.
There are a number of important themes in Orwell's book. Control through Fear is one, and you use it well ( see above ). Admit it. It has yet to be "legally" proven that Wilders incites violence. Therefore your question is moot, sir. His position on the works of Hitler and Allah and free speech in general are reasonable. Google. Not an Orwellian Statist. ~ But the main theme of 1984 is control of populace through control of language, words. As far as I remember. Is declaring a subset of all possible expressions off limits and punishable by law not Orwellian? Am I really fear mongering? I believe you agree with me in general. You stated as much. But I am waiting for you to admit that "hate speech" is a load of b.s. Say uncle. You can do it. ________________________________ From: ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 4:34:37 PM Subject: Re: [MD] An Observation From An Outsider [MK] I should know better by now. [Arlo] Hmm. Mostly you agreed with me. You made a comment about Orwell (typical scare tactic). I responded only to that by pointing out the fear-the-enemy rhetoric used by the State in Orwell's book to keep the populace afraid. And I provided a quote, by Orwell, that debunks the common notion that he is somehow "libertarian" or something. I didn't get to the rest of the email because it was late and I am overall busy this weekend. And the response *I* get has nothing to do with this, but now tries to go back and claim all my points are "moot", even though your initial response was agreement or at least interest. What's the matter, did I rain on your little Orwell fear snippet? Sorry about that. Stupid me, adding context when I should just take soundbites and be happy. [MK] Wilders today, Bensinger soon. [Arlo] Even funnier since I answered your question by saying that I did not believe he should be in jail. AND I pointed out that Wilders himself seems to favor censorship of speech under the guise that it "incites violence". Which begs the question... is inciting violence against those who incite violence a moral high-ground? Or is it simply inciting more violence? [MK] Even using the term "hate speech" is tautological. I am not convinced that such a thing exists in a non-politicized sense. [Arlo] And yet it is precisely on this charge that Wilders seeks to outlaw the Koran. Perhaps you should pen Wilders and tell him he should stop being such an Orwellian Statist by banning free speech. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
