Check Pirsig's use of "force" in his metaphysics. Of course, he's wrong and you're right . . . of course, of course.
On 22 Jun 2009 at 18:09, Krimel wrote: > [Platt] > All are different forms of energy, or inclusive of numerous energies. > Quality, for example, is the "value force." Dynamic Quality is the > "creative force." Physical energy includes strong and weak atomic > forces. Etc, etc. > > [Krimel] > So you are seriously trying to take the metaphorical use of the word "force" > and turn it into some kind of metaphysics? You just have to see how wrong > that is. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > [Platt] > > It doesn't. Psychic experience or energy is as universal as cosmic > > consciousness. Experience, consciousness, physic energy, reality, > > Quality, "is," -- all names for the same thing. > > > > [Krimel] > > Interesting how you just slide "consciousness" and "physic (sic) energy". > > Why do you think they merit inclusion on your list? I don't think they are > > concepts of the same type as experience, reality and Quality. > > > > I would say that consciousness and either psychic of physical energy are > > concepts of an entirely different sort. > > > > > > > > On 21 Jun 2009 at 7:24, gav wrote: > > > > > > > > why transduce experience into something else and then back into > > experience. > > > how does 'psychic energy' differ from experience? > > > > > > --- On Sun, 21/6/09, Platt Holden <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Platt Holden <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Re: [MD] Reductionism > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Received: Sunday, 21 June, 2009, 10:50 PM > > > > How about experience begins with > > > > transduction of psychic energy into neural > > > > impulses, psychic referring to cosmic consciousness with > > > > values inherent. > > > > > > > > Platt > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:32 AM, <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > [Krimel] > > > > > > experience BEGINS with transduction of energy > > > > into > > > > > > neural impulses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [gav] > > > > > > experience cannot begin with 'transduction of > > > > energy into neural > > > > > > impulses', because 'transduction of energy into > > > > neural impulses' is a > > > > > > concept *derived from experience* as all concepts > > > > necessarily are > > > > > > > > > > I think what Krimel means is that the > > > > experience of EACH INDIVIDUAL > > > > > " BEGINS with transduction of energy into neural > > > > impulses". > > > > > 'transduction of energy into neural impulses' is a > > > > concept derived from > > > > > experience, but the concept was around before most of > > > > us began > > > > > experiencing. > > > > > Craig > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: 06/21/09 > > 05:53:00 > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.83/2191 - Release Date: 06/21/09 > 05:53:00 > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
