On 12 Jul 2009 at 9:47, John Carl wrote:

> Ok, here's another problem in distinction, does a high quality social value
> mean one that gets ME rich and famous, or does it mean one that makes a
> society grow and prosper? 

Lots to argue about here, especially what defines a growing and  
prosperous society . 
 
> And I think that is a clue here.  There is an
> ego driven selfishness that comes into play on questions of morality.  Self
> denial is something "everybody knows" is good.  It's a value which puts
> others before me.  A high quality social value, then, for it puts the needs
> of the society above the needs of the individual.
> 
> Randian Objectivism seems to miss this point.

What "everybody knows" sounds like good old fashioned Christian 
morality. Tall about "reactionary."

Platt

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