Thanks for your interesting reply John, sounds like you appreciate Tracey Emin in the same ways i do.
That also sounds like an interesting book - i will look it up. When i think of craftsmanship i think of attention to technique and the physical awareness of self that is necessary to do very fine work - following the process becomes a meditation. Some works of art show little or no technique and yet may still be the result of a cultivated awareness necessarily more dynamic and spontaneuous than the more crafty approach. -KO 2009/8/3 John Carl <[email protected]> > KO, Ian, Platt and Lu, > I thought it best to stay out of this one because I can sense getting into > trouble. I already did a little bit. Remember the part in ZAMM when > DeWeese really wanted the Narrator to condemn those rotisserie instruction > manual? But he couldn't? It was a bit like that yesterday when Lu looked > up this woman's art on her web page and went off on her. "Look at this, > this isn't art." > > But I liked it. I didn't spend more than a few cursory glances but some of > those were highly evocative and moving. Simple lines can be so expressive > sometimes and I like the juxtaposition of text and image in moving ways. > > Some stuff did look fairly slapdash, but I intuit a social force at work in > the career of an artist, wherein with a bit of fame and popularity her > paintings sell for the same reason autographed pictures sell - reputation > and celebrity convey a social value beyond the merely artistic. > And is this not also a species of good? For it financially helps a worthy > artist who has scaled the peak. Lu is always jealous of artistic success > that lacks a certain craftsmanship. > > And that distinction between art and craftsmanship was what lured me back > to > the dialogue like a fat man to his fridge when he knows there is beer in > there. Lu said she remembered the dialogue with Arlo, but thought we > concluded that art and craftsmanship are the same. I said, no, Arlo says > that but I disagree. > > There is such a plain difference to me between faithful representation > through craft, and intellectual creation using craft - it's like static > quality and dynamic quality standing in such sharp juxtaposition that we > can > almost see the labels popping out of their differing molecular structures. > This is even more obvious to me after reading Schlain's Art and Physics > and > seeing how dynamic intellect has historically evolved in art - that is, > non-linguistic conceptualization of truth - prior to the more formal > symbolic logic of math and words. This is fascinating to me because it > puts > art in a whole different category than mere aesthetic appreciation. It > also > fascinates me in contemplating that this pre-linguistic conceptualization > might be a key to our differing interpretations of "pure experience". But > that's a completely different thread. > > John > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
