Hi All! Thought I'd pass along this ancient link to discussions past, since it touches on art-vs.craft: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/2006-August/005188.html Thanks Mike Craghead humboldtmusic.com/mc On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:15 PM, kieffer odigaunt < [email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks for your interesting reply John, sounds like you appreciate Tracey > Emin in the same ways i do. > > That also sounds like an interesting book - i will look it up. When i think > of craftsmanship i think of attention to technique and the physical > awareness of self that is necessary to do very fine work - following the > process becomes a meditation. Some works of art show little or no technique > and yet may still be the result of a cultivated awareness necessarily more > dynamic and spontaneuous than the more crafty approach. > > -KO > > 2009/8/3 John Carl <[email protected]> > > > KO, Ian, Platt and Lu, > > I thought it best to stay out of this one because I can sense getting > into > > trouble. I already did a little bit. Remember the part in ZAMM when > > DeWeese really wanted the Narrator to condemn those rotisserie > instruction > > manual? But he couldn't? It was a bit like that yesterday when Lu > looked > > up this woman's art on her web page and went off on her. "Look at this, > > this isn't art." > > > > But I liked it. I didn't spend more than a few cursory glances but some > of > > those were highly evocative and moving. Simple lines can be so > expressive > > sometimes and I like the juxtaposition of text and image in moving ways. > > > > Some stuff did look fairly slapdash, but I intuit a social force at work > in > > the career of an artist, wherein with a bit of fame and popularity her > > paintings sell for the same reason autographed pictures sell - reputation > > and celebrity convey a social value beyond the merely artistic. > > And is this not also a species of good? For it financially helps a > worthy > > artist who has scaled the peak. Lu is always jealous of artistic success > > that lacks a certain craftsmanship. > > > > And that distinction between art and craftsmanship was what lured me back > > to > > the dialogue like a fat man to his fridge when he knows there is beer in > > there. Lu said she remembered the dialogue with Arlo, but thought we > > concluded that art and craftsmanship are the same. I said, no, Arlo says > > that but I disagree. > > > > There is such a plain difference to me between faithful representation > > through craft, and intellectual creation using craft - it's like static > > quality and dynamic quality standing in such sharp juxtaposition that we > > can > > almost see the labels popping out of their differing molecular > structures. > > This is even more obvious to me after reading Schlain's Art and Physics > > and > > seeing how dynamic intellect has historically evolved in art - that is, > > non-linguistic conceptualization of truth - prior to the more formal > > symbolic logic of math and words. This is fascinating to me because it > > puts > > art in a whole different category than mere aesthetic appreciation. It > > also > > fascinates me in contemplating that this pre-linguistic conceptualization > > might be a key to our differing interpretations of "pure experience". > But > > that's a completely different thread. > > > > John > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
