Platt to Andre: Andre, how will your improved harmonious One be different than today's One. For instance, will all competition be eliminated in your One? The more specifics you can give us, the better we'll understand your vision.
Andre: Hi Platt, am not sure what you mean by your first question, to wit: improved harmonious One as different from today's One. The One is already complete, only we do not realise this. I liken it to the state of enlightenment 'to be achieved'....through various means. Those that have achieved this state merely suggest that we all are already enlightened, except we do not realise it! Also refer to the 180 and 360 degree circle Pirsig refers to in the interview reference posted a few days ago. The One will be 'richer' ...to use Reanney's metaphor of the symphony. It began with a sinle melody to which we add our variations in the way Pachebel built up his Canon in D. Please see this as only a metaphor though. This process of becoming will be achieved when we realise that competition is not really very useful, that we have 'outgrown' this jungle state of affairs and begin to regard eachother, not as fellow competitors, but as co-creative partners in the collective enterprise of consciousness.Learning to see and act (through the head, heart and hands) and apprehending truly...i.e seeing and apprehending that All is One...a uni-verse... a single song. Platt: As I understand it, the mystical conclusion that "All is One" is the same as Pirsig's "pre-intellectual experience," namely that ultimate reality is not divided or differentiated in any way. However, we (and all living creatures) cannot survive without dividing reality into life/death, good/bad, friend/enemy, etc. Do you agree? Andre: I agree to a certain extent Platt. The value of which is the basis of Bodvar's intellect (as far as I understand it) and it has served and continues to serve us well in our efforts to 'dominate' and 'use' inorganic and organic patterns of value. It is part and parcel of our evolutionary processes and our brain has been 'programmed' to deal with these...i.e.hunger, enemies (both in armies (social) and diseases (biological), fight/flight responses, etc, etc. (not sure about the life/ death issue you are referring to. This division, this death denial (as in hiding/ covering up) is very much a 'modern' phenomenon. But I think we do have the technology and know-how to make these a thing of the past, to make them less dominant, less threatening with a bit of co-operation (in the co- creative process as artists) and not on competition (in a co-destructive process as soldiers vs soldiers/ business vs business/ person vs person). In this sense I understand Pirsig's favouring of the 'free-market'...yes it is very dynamic ( as opposed to...) but it seems to me to be ultimately a destructive and very wasteful sort of enterprise (the Giant creating crises at will, whether it be financial, political, social, economic you name it...it keeps on feeding itself). Whereas the co-creative forces are very dynamic as well running in the opposite way: not towards destruction/division and waste but towards integration, symmetry and harmony. Platt: My basic question to you Andre is what do you see as negative about individual liberty so long as government protects people from other people initiating physical force -- the proper role of the military and police? For example, do you favor the free market like Pirsig does? Andre: Re 'individual liberty' I see little negative. The bit of negativity I do have will sound much like Richard Rigel because I hear much self- righteous ego in the people shouting and standing on their individual liberties. I tend to see individual liberty as a way of being able/ allowed to express one's dharma. More I cannot make of it. Regarding the rest of your question, I hope I have clarified those in the earlier part of this post. For what it is worth. Andre, the dreamer.... but not the only one. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
