Bodvar: Does it mean that you tend to forget the symbol/what's symbolized distinction as if normally unaware of it? I would say that we are told by intellect to believe"that the twain shall never meet" because it is a S/O as good as any.
> And so it is with the MOQ. It's intellectual pattern contained in ZAMM > and Lila is the map at the intellectual level. Dynamic quality > experience is the territory. Many focus on the former and call it the > MOQ. Bo focuses on the latter and calls it the MOQ. Like the heads and > tails of a coin, both are right. Hmmm, lets see what Andre says. Andre: Andre has said the intellect lies wherever it is (with of course the double meaning of the verb emphasised) and in the process does not wish to upset anybody, nor look for a cop-out. The intellectual level is a problem because of its definition. It should never have been designated as a 'level' separate from the inorganic, organic and social because it is, through Pirsig's definition (and where else can he get it from?) the latter three in combination (combining the values of the three). This makes SOM a social PoV. To take SOM as a social PoV and recognise it as such and then add Quality as the very foundation and expand it into what we now know and have learnt to recognise as the MoQ I would say that the potential of intellect to dominate, support and guide social PoV's started not with Armistice Day, 1918, but with the publication of Lila 1991. In other words, our 'uncontaminated' intellectual understanding of reality, as far as our Western lenses are concerned starts with the MoQ Our scientific understanding of reality may have started with Aristotle but our anthropological, cultural understanding of reality has started with the integration of both through the recognition of Quality as the starting point. We owe this to Mr.Pirsig The monism is SQ bathed in DQ. IMHO and possibly to be pulled to bits and pieces. Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
