hiya, steve: Faith: The notion that the world as it is now is perfect and that changing it would only ruin it.
gav: i disagree here. i would say that faith is implicitly aware that you can't ruin perfection - you can only peturb it. the notion (of faith) is entirely self-referential: faith is faith in oneself What do you think? Best, Steve Pirsig to McWatt, January 14th 1994 "The Sioux concept of self and higher self is one I hadn’t heard of. At first sight it seems like a striking confirmation of the universality of mystic understanding. In Zen Buddhism ‘Big-Self’ and ‘small-self’ are fundamental teaching concepts. The small-self, the static patterns of ego, is attracted by the ‘perfume’ of the ‘Big-Self’ which it senses is around but cannot find or even identify. (There is a Hindu parable in which a small fish says, ‘Mother, I have searched everywhere, but I cannot find this thing they call water’). Through suppression of the small-self by meditation or fasting or vision quests or other disciplines, the Big-Self can be revealed in a moment sometimes called 180 degrees enlightenment. Then a long discipline is undertaken by which the Big-Self takes over and dissolves the small-self into a 360 degrees enlightenment or full Buddhahood." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ __________________________________________________________________________________ Get more done like never before with Yahoo!7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
