Hello Andre,
I very much agree with Bo that the Intellectual Level is comprised of
subject/object patterns, and I agree that there should be an emerging
Quality Level above the Intellectual Level. I believe the Quality Level
represents a paradigm shift as large as the shift from social patterns to
intellectual patterns. Actually, I think it was modesty that prevented RMP
from adding this new level. But I also think the MoQ is an intellectual
static pattern of value, while what it points to is Quality: Dyanmic and
static, or as I like to say, unpatterned experience and patterned
experience. It puzzles me why everyone doesn't see it, because it seems so
obvious to me. It's like the differnece between Newtonian physics and
Quantum physics, a quantum leap. Bo may not agree with all my MoQ
interpretations, nor I agree with all his, but I did want to state on these
two point I definitaly agree with Bo.
Marsha
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Bodvar:
Platt, Andre, All
20 Nov:
Platt:
> To be precise, all concepts such as "time" and explanatory dimensions"
> are intellectual PoV. Which brings to mind Bo's idea that the MOQ is
> transconceptual and therefore timeless, which fits with Quality being
> outside definition. Maybe we're getting somewhere after all.
Many of the issues raised has been discussed before (and consensus
arrived at?) and resides somewhere in the archives.
Andre:
You are correct Bodvar, in stating that the intellectual level and
your SOL have been raised over and over again, over a period of more
than 10 years now...though to state/ask about consensus being arrived
at I am not so sure.
I have been diving in the archives over the past few weeks and there
isn't any agreement that I could find.
More learned fellows and women than me have stated their views and who
am I to add anything new to either challenge or confirm? Perhaps it is
better to leave the question regarding the 'mysteries' of the
intellectual level hanging (so to speak) as a continued tension
between DQ/SQ.
Perhaps this is a cop-out on my part but I do not intend it that way.
As said before, Mr.Pirsig has let his views be known. I wish to remain
neutral in this matter. It does tend to take up a lot of energy better
spent on other things.
Questions remain and answers fly right over my head sometimes. E.g why
can the MoQ not be an intellectual PoV, as Pirsig maintains it is?
Is intuition an intellectual PoV? How is Quality excluded from the MoQ
if the MoQ is an intellectual PoV?
Anyway, I do not know where this will end up but am sure where I will
end up. And it is not in the percolator.
Perhaps another level is required. Pirsig has stated not to have
objections to this but he still feels that the four 'levels' are
sufficient plus the Code. I highly respect this stance.
Regards
Andre
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