On 1 Dec 2009 at 8:08, X Acto wrote: > Well ya see Arlo, the thread line is "SOM's defect comes home to roost" > SOM's defect is that it thinks humans are sepreate and distinct from their > environment.
Maybe so, but Pirsig makes it clear from an MOQ viewpoint that the defect is "no provision for morals." In other words, SOM has no philosophical foundation for determining good from bad, right from wrong. As Pirsig explains, "To answer him you have to go all the way back to fundamental meanings of what is meant by morality and in this culture there aren't any fundamental meanings of morality. There are only old traditional social and religious meanings and these don't have any real intellectual base. They're just traditions." (Lila, 7) Science has built public trust on openness and honesty. But now we see science being compromised by fabrication, falsification and modification of data for the sake of a political agenda. >..now....environmentalism goes against the grain of SOM > since it asserts humans are indeed part of the environment and we better > manage > our practices better or we're going to poison ourselves with our own waste, > the only way I can figure environmentalism can be deadly to humans is if > it is taken to extreme ie, killing humans to save the environment which is > just > as ludicris as exhausting all resources and poisoning ourselves. Platt may > have an economic gripe that environmentalism impinges on capitalistic profit > but environmentalism opens up a greater diversity in the market place by > creating > a new marketable industry that creates wealth. > Frankly, I really do not see how one can square this up. Dishonesty, perhaps. > But dishonesty in the same vein in that our parents or the church lied to us > to > keep us out of trouble, for our own well being. If he really wants to pick > knits. > But that brings up the the question of what is true? since there is no > objective > truth, what exactly does he base his claims on, the willful falsification of > data? > Gov. been doing that since the dawn of time. He demands honosty from Gov. > now? No. The issue is not the honesty of government. The issue is the honesty of SOM science. > the Gov. lies! , of all possible outcomes I would think, lying to us in > sake > preserving our world and our species is a lie I can live with. Just do not > see the > downside, unless Platt likes soylent green. Lying to perpetuate a fraud is not something I want to live with. > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Arlo Bensinger <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 10:26:13 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] SOM's defect comes home to roost > > [Ron] > What are the deadly consequences of environmentalism? > > [Arlo] > Haven't you been following the "news"? Death camps! Enslavement! The End of > Liberty! Tyranny! One World Guvmint! Dogs and cats living together!! Soylent > Green is people!!! > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
