On 1 Dec 2009 at 8:08, X Acto wrote:
> Well ya see Arlo, the thread line is "SOM's defect comes home to roost"
> SOM's defect is that it thinks humans are sepreate and distinct from their
> environment.
Platt:
Maybe so, but Pirsig makes it clear from an MOQ viewpoint that the
defect is "no provision for morals." In other words, SOM has no
philosophical foundation for determining good from bad, right from
wrong. As Pirsig explains, "To answer him you have to go all the way
back to fundamental meanings of what is meant by morality and in this
culture there aren't any fundamental meanings of morality. There are
only old traditional social and religious meanings and these don't have
any real intellectual base. They're just traditions." (Lila, 7)
Platt:
Science has built public trust on openness and honesty. But now we see
science being compromised by fabrication, falsification and modification
of data for the sake of a political agenda.
Ron:
Has "science" ever been "objective?" that seems to be the implication
that it once was and is no more when I doubt it ever truly was. It's
just we used to swallow that line, now we do not.
Ron prev.
>..now....environmentalism goes against the grain of SOM
> since it asserts humans are indeed part of the environment and we better
> manage
> our practices better or we're going to poison ourselves with our own waste,
> the only way I can figure environmentalism can be deadly to humans is if
> it is taken to extreme ie, killing humans to save the environment which is
> just
> as ludicris as exhausting all resources and poisoning ourselves. Platt may
> have an economic gripe that environmentalism impinges on capitalistic profit
> but environmentalism opens up a greater diversity in the market place by
> creating
> a new marketable industry that creates wealth.
> Frankly, I really do not see how one can square this up. Dishonesty, perhaps.
> But dishonesty in the same vein in that our parents or the church lied to us
> to
> keep us out of trouble, for our own well being. If he really wants to pick
> knits.
> But that brings up the the question of what is true? since there is no
> objective
> truth, what exactly does he base his claims on, the willful falsification of
> data?
> Gov. been doing that since the dawn of time. He demands honosty from Gov.
> now?
Platt:
No. The issue is not the honesty of government. The issue is the
honesty of SOM science.
Ron:
Oh I do think the issue is the honosty of government, especially when
government funds SOM science.
Ron prev:
> the Gov. lies! , of all possible outcomes I would think, lying to us in
> sake
> preserving our world and our species is a lie I can live with. Just do not
> see the
> downside, unless Platt likes soylent green.
Platt:
Lying to perpetuate a fraud is not something I want to live with.
Ron:
You live with it every day Platt.
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Arlo Bensinger <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 10:26:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] SOM's defect comes home to roost
>
> [Ron]
> What are the deadly consequences of environmentalism?
>
> [Arlo]
> Haven't you been following the "news"? Death camps! Enslavement! The End of
> Liberty! Tyranny! One World Guvmint! Dogs and cats living together!! Soylent
> Green is people!!!
>
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