Hey John, How about this story from yesterday's Washington Examiner:
A former top climate scientist who had become of one the scientific world's most cited authorities on the human effect on Earth's atmosphere was sentenced to probation Tuesday after pleading guilty to steering lucrative no-bid contracts to his wife's company. Details at: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Former-NASA-climate-scientist-pleads-guilty-to-contract-fraud-8613137-78268862.html Mark On Dec 3, 2009, at 6:29:04 PM, "John Carl" <[email protected]> wrote: From: "John Carl" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MD] SOM's defect comes home to roost Date: December 3, 2009 6:29:04 PM PST To: [email protected] Hey Mark, I argue with the idea that scientist are fudging data to make money. Al Gore isn't a scientist. He's a politician. I wouldn't argue against the idea that a politician fudges data to make money. After all, that's the functional definition of a modern day politician. Such a shame too; nice tennessee boy gone wrong. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:14 PM, markhsmit <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John, > It seems as though Al Gore will become the first global > warming billionaire. > > > > http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/11/03/al-gore-the-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire/ > > Need I say more? > > Mark > > On Dec 3, 2009, at 5:35:07 PM, "John Carl" <[email protected]> wrote: > From: "John Carl" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MD] SOM's defect comes home to roost > Date: December 3, 2009 5:35:07 PM PST > To: [email protected] > Platt, > > In such a big push for a certain view, I'm sure there is some money > involved. However, i don't believe the entire thing has been cooked up as a > money grab. There has to be another motive, conscious or unconscious. > > My hypothesis is that science saw an opportunity to test a theory and > couldn't resist. The THEORY of man-caused global warming could only be > tested by comparing temperature data after a reduction in CO2 and > scientists > were willing to fudge the data if it meant manipulating the populace into > giving climatologists the experimental matrix they desired. > > But from the news, it sounds like the scandal is not going away soon and > probes are in the works. > > What I do find encouraging is the confirmation of the morality of what I > term "the open source society." When all information is openly scrutinized, > such shenanigans aren't possible. I was glad to see an internet hacker > accomplish something good for a change. > > > John > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hey John, > > > > About the money, I recommend to you an OpEd in the Dec. 1 Wall St. > > Journal entitled, "Climategate: Follow the Money" in which the author > > points out that the "European Commission's most recent appropriation > > for > > climate research comes to nearly $3 billion, and that's not counting > > funds from the EU's member governments." Many billions more for such > > research and related global-change interests is covered in the OpEd. > > > > Like you I'm looking forward to more evidence of scientific fraud being > > brought to light despite the best efforts of true believers to cover it > up. > > > > Platt > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Dec 2009 at 9:55, John Carl wrote: > > > > > Platt, > > > > > > The idea that climate scientist are doing this for money, I find... > um... > > > what's that word? Specious? Yeah, I think that's the word. > > > > > > I agree that it's immoral. Science, since it worships at the altar of > > > "objectivity" is committing a grave sin with unaknowledged subjective > > > desires driving it. But I don't think that money is the issue, anymore > > than > > > money is the reason why certain philosophers (Pirsig and Royce) are > > rejected > > > or suppressed. > > > > > > It's got to be more than mere money. It's power, status, prestige - > yes. > > > But something more too or why would so many scientists line up behind a > > > rather bizarre idea with no logical foundation? > > > > > > One day they all got together and said, "Hey! I bet we could make a > > whole > > > bunch of money and get Al Gore a Nobel prize, if we'd just fudge a > little > > > data and create a global warming scare." > > > > > > I don't think so. > > > > > > Its an interesting question tho. I'm looking forward to some of the > > > responses to questions that are being brought to light. Hopefully > > they'll > > > shed some light. Doubtful tho. Nothing is more clueless than > > unconscious > > > metaphysics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:14 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > > > Well said! Note how environmentalists plead for reasonableness while > > > > at the same time prominent climate scientists manipulate temperature > > > > data to support global warming and assure continuance of millions in > > > > climate-change funding. > > > > > > > > Platt > > > > > > > > On 1 Dec 2009 at 21:07, markhsmit wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Environmentalists v Capitalists? Hmm that is an interesting pair. > > > > > I suppose capitalists is used in a derogatory fashion by those > > > > > who went out and bought a computer to join in the forum. > > > > > > > > > > The problem that I have with some environmentalist is that they > think > > > > > they know the Truth. They are righteous and believe everyone > > > > > should believe the way they do otherwise they are less than human. > > > > > In this way, they try to control things the way they think is > right. > > I > > > > agree > > > > > with Platt, that sometimes it is nice to see that they are just as > > > > devious > > > > > and manipulative as the rest of the evil capitalists. It is this > > > > righteous > > > > > sense of morality that many environmentalists have that somehow > > > > > elevates them to a more religious level that is annoying. It is > > another > > > > > PC abuse. > > > > > > > > > > Capitalists try to live well as best they know. They are a little > > > > excessive > > > > > perhaps and their infatuation with wealth is a bit annoying as > well, > > but > > > > to > > > > > each his own. I am not going to force anyone to be a capitalist or > > > > > a spiritualist, tell or force them how to live. We are not going to > > be > > > > allowed > > > > > to buy plasma TVs in California now because of somebody's opinion. > > > > > What is that all about? Oh, saving the planet, but from what, our > > desire > > > > to live > > > > > as we want to? Couldn't have that, we are so stupid. > > > > > > > > > > We can no more control the fate of the planet than we can live > under > > > > > a dictatorship. It is all about control, not about concern. Best > > thing > > > > > that happened for environmentalism is the recession. The deeper > > > > > it goes, the more we save the planet. Best if the US just imploded. > > > > > Reasonable environmentalism? 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