Hi Arlo

3 Dec. you spoke::

> Arlo gave a valid, historical example of "environmentalism" acting
> "coercively" to regulate and restrict business practices that led to a
> river being so polluted it caught on fire. How is that "demonizing"?
> Mark said there is no such thing as "reasonable" environmentalism, I
> contend there is, and that this is but one fine example.

Right, I did not read your post attentively enough to catch the ironic 
points. 

> Arlo wonders if you read any of his posts, of just skim for areas you
> think you can post some disagreement about? Because if you had read
> his posts, you would see that Arlo holds little sympathy for
> "doomsayers". But he also holds little sympathy for those who blindly
> demonize any and all environmental coner siderations. 

Risking not to have understood your subtleties, it's the 
environmentalist unholy alliance with climatists  which is my point. I 
don't deny that there may be some temperature fluctuation afoot - our 
november this far north has been rather mild  - not since eighteen.. 
something  the meterorologists say. Well, then it was just as warm 
before any man-made CO2!

Another thing. The doomsayers makes it sound as if CO2 now fills the 
air and the gullible populace swallow it, but the fact is that the 
atmosphere composition is remarkable stable, the nitrogen part 78%, 
oxygen 21% and CO2 a feeble 0,030 plus some rarer gases. How can 
this insignificant part play such a huge role? No. there's something 
rotten here.        

> Arlo has said repeatedly, the truth is somewhere inbetween, but is
> tired of the idiotic Holy War whose only goal is to blindly advance an
> ideological view rather than discuss real concerns (just as with "PC").
> As for sounding like "Jehovah's Witnesses", those who insist there is a
> global, one-world conspiracy afoot, where "the academy, media,
> government and entertainment" are all anti-liberty, freedom-hating,
> tyrannyists bent on enslaving the world... well, they sound like
> "Jehovah's Witnesses" to me as well... 

"Somewhere in between" sounds like trying to reconcile SOM's 
dichotomies. However pitting the establishment against people isn't so 
pronounced over here, it seems more like the mentioned plebeian 
"howling with the wolves" phenomenon. The bio-fuel issue also caused 
a stir when it was "discovered" that it was burning food, again my wry 
smile again over the politicians' effort to be correct - always.

Bodvar.     














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