On 9 Dec 2009 at 9:21, John Carl wrote:
> Platt,
>
> A corporation is an entity devoted to making profits and gaining power. The
> State is an entity devoted to gaining power. They work quite well together
> and when the corporate power controls the state, that seems as clear an
> example of Fascism as any I can imagine.
Hey John,
I don't know of a single corporation that controls a state, but I know of a
single state that controls a corporation, like the U.S. government's
control of AIG. So long as the government has police power, it will
always be top dog in the power game. Our current government likes to
demonize corporations. Right now it's the insurance companies under
assault.
> I notice you decry the violence done in the name of past collectivism quite
> a bit Platt. So I ask you, if this government/corporate combine was able to
> consolidate power gently, without death and violence but rather through
> propoganda techniques, would it then be "ok"?
Propaganda is one arm of the power struggle used by all sides. But the
power of government rests on the threat of physical coercion through its
monopoly of the police and military forces. So as long as government is
involved there's no such thing as "gentle" persuasion without violence
and death.
Which brings up a question for you. How will you handle biological crime
in your proposed "circle?"
> So far my favorite form of government I've ever experienced was at Burning
> Man - which is about as libertarian as I can imagine.
Not knowing what Burning Man was I went to Wikepedia and found it
involved the following restrictions:
* An imposed curved grid street structure.[6]
* A speed limit of 5 mph (8 km/h).[7]
* A ban on driving, except for approved "mutant vehicles" and service
vehicles.[8]
* Restrictions and imposing of safety standards on mutant vehicles.[7]
* A ban on campfires and Tiki torches.[9]
* Burning your own art must be done on an approved burn
platform.[10]
* A ban on fireworks.[11]
* A ban on firearms.[12]
* A ban on dogs.[13]
I think where I live year round there are less restrictions.
Regards,
Platt
>
> But I could be wrong, I could be right, who knows?
>
> John
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:22 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hey John,
> >
> > Mussolini was widely admired by progressives in the first half of the 20th
> > century because he established an all powerful state, holding to the
> > assumption that any action of the state is justified to achieve the
> > common good.
> >
> > "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the
> > State"
> >
> > -- Benito Mussolini
> >
> > Of course corporations fell under fascist state control either by
> > nationalization or by regulation to the point where there is a distinction
> > without a difference, the current push for cap & trade being an example
> > of the latter.
> >
> > By contrast, right-wing conservatives favor limited government and free
> > markets.
> >
> > Platt
> >
> >
> > On 8 Dec 2009 at 10:28, John Carl wrote:
> >
> > > Fascism should be more properly called corporatism, since it is the
> > merger
> > > of corporate and state power.
> > >
> > >
> > > Benito Mussolini
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I enjoyed a documentary film the other day and thought of dear Platt:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/american_ruling_class/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
> > change
> > > the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has."
> > >
> > >
> > > "Nobody has ever before asked the nuclear family to live all by itself in
> > a
> > > box the way we do. With no relatives, no support, we've put it in an
> > > impossible situation."
> > >
> > >
> > > Margaret Mead
> >
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