[Mary]
> I miss the news.  I mean actual NEWS that provides information.  The 
> current Fox vs MSNBC mudslinging is tearing the country apart.  This is
ugly 
> stuff and detrimental to making any kind of forward progress.  I
suppose 
> it has entertainment value since everyone enjoys watching things that 
> reinforce their belief system.
>

Hello Mary

I was not around when you were here last, but welcome back anyway.

If you really want to read some news, here is a site. I personally peek
at it just for the headlines, I can go into details reading the stories.
Neither my mind or heart could tolerate it.

www.informationclearinghouse.info

and a few other sites

http://www.counterpunch.org/

http://www.yesmagazine.org/

You are absolutely right in how we should approach the other person's
point of view.

[Mary]
Do you know how true agreement is achieved?  It is my belief that the
fundamental requirement is an ability to understand the other side.  When
your opposition says something seemingly illogical to you, instead of
crowing about it and attempting to humiliate them, your job should be to
try
to understand where they are coming from.  This serves two purposes.  On
one
hand, you may actually gain an understanding of their position that you
did
not have before, and this might cause you to alter your own, and on the
other hand, by forcing them to explain themselves, they will be forced to
delve deeply into their beliefs, and may change their view once they have
gone through the exercise of examining it.  In either case, and I don't
care
which, something better will always come of it.

[Khaled]
Unfortunate most people will repeat the Talk Radio mantra. Part of the
reason is that they have been told that thinking for themselves is a bad
thing. 

In a country of 300 million, if the expression one in a million holds
true, we should have 300 outstanding thinkers to look forward to.
How many can you name. You mentioned the idea of 'I believe", well mine
is name the 300.

http://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/stand-up-to-corporate-power/1909

here is a link to a project Robert Shetterly is doing, it's about
Americans who tell the truth.

Some of these pro traits are people who have passed away, some are still
living.

Lets start a list, a list of the 300 Patriots, who tell it like it is.
here is my 5
Ralph nader, Howard zinn, Noam chomsky Bill moyers and Helen Thomas.

http://www.americanswhotellthetruth.org/pgs/portrait_thumbs.html

who are your 5 ( living) and we get a coalition of them and send them to
Washington to fix our problem?

something to think about
Khaled
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