Hi again Mary 19 Dec. you said :(to me)
> Your words sparked a thought. Having never been a religious person, > I stand outside the window looking in at all the goings-on. I've > certainly been invited to the party, but don't feel comfortable > attending. > > [Bo] the new light the MOQ throws on Jesus' "attack" on the Mosaic > > tradition. then this. [Bo] Christendom has moved away from its > > Semitic roots and become more and more "intellectual" > Once again I find myself having to look things up. You won't find anything resembling this interpretation anywhere, it's all based on the MOQ (my interpretation of it that is) but it brings so many bits of the great puzzle into place. > Mosaic Tradition: the laws (beginning with the Ten Commandments) > that God gave to the Israelites through Moses; it includes many > rules of religious observance given in the first five books of the > Old Testament. Yes, but even Moses is late in this context. all It began with monotheism which began with the Israelite godhead "competing" with other tribe's ditto and (according to their book) won out. The point is the Jewish hybris of first declaring one god and then that the creator of the universe was THEIR god who had an agreement with them - the covenant. > Well, hmmm. That dashes my thought, but I will soldier on with it > anyway. The word "mosaic" sparked in my mind the idea of multiple > gods. > Now I realize this is not at all what you meant ...... MOQ's point is that monotheism (which in intellect's (SOM's) view is Goodness ousting Evil) was a mere refinement of the social- mythological reality, one that since has resisted all intellectual "assaults" on the "social level in that (Semitic) culture. To explain this strange statement: After the Exodus the Jews represented no "force", but Semitism continued with Islam that emerged as a buffer against Christendom that expanded into the Arab world after becoming a Roman religion. So Islam now fights "Western Values" unto self-sacrifice. As soon as something resembling democracy emerges it is struck down. Don't be fooled by the state Israel being in conflict with half the Muslim world, the state is secular but note that the orthodox Jews despise it and refuse to yield to secular laws if these don't fit the "Covenant" and the ultra orthodox hate Israel as much as the Palestinians.and travels to Iran to participate in "conferences" > ....... but consider this The Intellectual Level would not exist > were > it not for Monotheism. Coming down from the "mountain". The intellectual level would not exist without the social , but IMO monotheism was not the dynamic social pattern that "took off on a purpose of its own" to form intellect, rather a deadlock. > My idea is that when there were many gods, each with their own area > of specialty, and each requiring appeasement and worship to get > things to go your way, it was impossible to 'think outside the god > box' and give basic cause and effect it's due. The MOQ does not support multi-theism or any kind of -isms at all, yet the intellectual level (skepticism regarding social patterns like religions) is its highest static good. . > If you've got 100 gods all acting on a whim in your life, you do not > have free will. If you do not have free will, you cannot believe > that anything much you do to affect your situation is going to > matter in the end. Exactly, this describes the old social mythological reality splendidly, the "free will" lacking totally. But this is only a handicap viewed from intellect, it's an enormous freedom too - perhaps bliss - why Phaedrus looked back on the social Aretê reality as Quality itself. And these days this is Islam's attraction. I exempt Christendom because it is so intellectualized that it does not offer much > If you do not believe you can affect anything, you will not > look for answers. If you do not look for answers, you will not view > things as an intellectual problem to be solved. If you do not do > that, you are not operating at the intellectual level. You are > stuck. EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Was the Intellectual Level born in the Garden of Eden - of a woman? > (he he) Couldn't resist that. The Eden myth is existence's biological-social transition IMO, leaving an even greater state of bliss of a-morality. The inveterate lecturer Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
