chaos A new branch of science that deals with systems whose evolution depends very sensitively upon the initial conditions. Turbulent flows of fluids (such as white water in a river) and the prediction of the weather are two areas where chaos theory has been applied with some success. (www.dictionary.com)
I think it is pretty clear that this is not what Robert Pirsig means by Dynamic Quality. I recall that I once asked him about whether it was wise to say Dynamic Quality is always positive. He said (and I paraphrase) perhaps not, that it might be better to say it's not this, not that. It is in LILA'S CHILD toward the end. On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Krimel <[email protected]> wrote: >> [Krimel] >> What a depressing quote. Chaos is not always a destructive force in fact >> it is the creative power of the universe. Order is a subset of chaos. If >> this was a fairly new idea when Pirsig wrote Lila is was not 10 years >> later. He really should know better. > > [Steve] > If you are calling chaos the creative power of the universe and order > a subject of chaos, it sounds like what you are calling chaos Pirsig > calls Quality. > > [Krimel] > Yes, and I have been doing so consistently for years now. > > Just look at the quote Andre provided: > > 'Dynamic Quality and chaos are both patternless, and so it would seem they > have a lot in common, particularly the fact that you can't say anything > about them without getting into static patterns." > > [Krimel] > Yes, yes, you are almost there Bob. It is like the passage in Lila where you > say that the MoQ could almost be thought of as a Metaphysics of Randomness. > > [Unfortunately the quote continues...] > "But if you do, you can say that Dynamic Quality is good and precedes static > improvement. It is the source of experience. Chaos, by contrast is the > condition of total destruction. You can't call it either good or bad. > It is not the source of anything'." > > [Krimel] > This just reduces DQ to anything that is "good" not all DQ is good and DQ > does not always precede static improvement. Conversely chaos does not always > produce destruction. Selection of lottery tickets is a chaotic process and > it often produces enormous good for someone. Chaos only looks destructive > because disordered states are much more likely than ordered states. > > Chaos is a creative force in the universe because it means that nothing is > ever rigid and fixed and lawful. Everything is changing chaotically and > there is always room of "oops" and "aha". The world is not a Newtonian > billiard table, an idealized plane and hypothetical spheres. The world is a > pool hall with erratic lighting, free flowing alcohol and sexual tension. > What determines whether or not the eight ball lands in the side pocket is, > more often than not, the whims of Bacchus and Eros not the Laws of geometry > and physics. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
