Krimel to Steve: This just reduces DQ to anything that is "good" not all DQ is good...
Andre: This is a fair comment Krimel eventhough the experience of immediate apprehension may be termed as something 'good' the static result may be subject to moral conflicts. Remember that Pirsig makes clear that DQ's perceived good is freedom.(In McWatt, PhD). I can imagine that the instance of immediate apprehesion and the release from static patterns made be experienced as 'good' but the hangover afterwards may be less so. Krimel:DQ does not always precede static improvement. Andre: What then is/are factors that 'cause' static improvement? Krimel: Conversely chaos does not always produce destruction. Andre: Pirsig does not make this claim. He suggests it is the 'condition' of total destruction. Krimel:Selection of lottery tickets is a chaotic process Andre: Interesting...how is it 'chaotic'?...because it is random/probability?? Krimel: Chaos is a creative force... Andre: The MoQ states clearly, given the quote cited, that chaos isn't the source of anything. And then there have been various suggestions more about the opposite of Quality. Even Ham chimed in with 'nothingness'... Bahhh, Quality is equated with the Buddhist concept of Nothingness! I would call the opposite of Quality ( which already is a contravention of its ineffability): unfreedom...laws...determinism...cause and effect...rules...static patterns...S/O thinking...Mugabe...Bush...Hu Jintao...1960's -70's architecture, basketball (haha) etc...etc..etc Cheers Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
