[Ham] Since you raise the credibility issue, I did a Google search on Duane Gish. Turns out he held key positions at Berkeley, Cornell University Medical College, and The Upjohn Company before joining the Institute for Creation Research in 1971 where he currently serves as Associate Director and Vice President. Your personal bias against "Creationism" in no way impugns the scientific credibility of a Ph.D. biochemist with a distinguished working career. Moreover, inasmuch as genetic mutation is mostly spontaneous, no scientifically informed person would call the propensity for creating an ordered. intelligently designed universe a "stupid" or "ridiculous idea."
[Krimel] I can read wiki too and only wishful thinking produces a distinguished scientific career for this guy. He has distinguished himself chiefly by making a fool of himself in creationism debates. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/gish-rutgers.html http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icr-whoppers.html [Ham] Bill patiently explained to this lowly biology undergraduate that, left to themselves, chemical compounds ultimately break apart into simpler materials rather than becoming more complex. Apparently "work" (a function of energy) is required to move a random or chaotic system toward an ordered design. While this can increase order for a time, such reversal cannot last forever. Processes return to their natural direction - greater disorder, their energy transformed into lower levels of availability for further work. Thus, the natural tendency of complex, ordered arrangements and systems is to become simpler and more disorderly. [Krimel] If only you could understand what is actually being said to you. Bill told you, "Apparently "work" (a function of energy) is required to move a random or chaotic system toward an ordered design." Ham, what the fuck do you think sunlight is? Then he told you, "While this can increase order for a time, such reversal cannot last forever." "For a time" in this instance has been about 4 billion years. It is expected to stay this way for about another 4 billion years. A lot happened in the first 4 billion years. It was enough time for chemicals to become chemistry professors. I suppose it is possible for a lot to happen in the next 4 billion years, for example you might have time to get a clue. [Ham] Yet billions of things are assumed to have developed "upward", becoming more orderly and complex over eons of time. Until scientists discover the source of this "working force" underlying natural evolution, it remains inexplicable by this basic law of science. [Krimel] News flash, Ham, scientists had discovered sunlight by the late Pleistocene era. As I said previously this "working force" only remains inexplicable to the ignorant and the stupid. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
