Hey Steve, Excellent. These "struggles" between and within moral levels is central to understanding the MOQ. The one remaining question that I don't think anyone has answered is: "Are moral values and their struggles empirical facts?
Thanks. Platt On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Steven Peterson <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Bruce: > > Bruce: > > Perhaps I am too new to this to jump in here, but I see a need to define > what I call "Struggles" between the levels and "Struggles" within the > level. The advantage of defining these "Struggles" is to provide the > ability to view any problem from a perspective and advantage of the MoQ that > has perhaps never been achieved. It is how these levels interact within > between each other and within. > > Struggles: > > Inorganic Static Patterns Reducing to Subatomic Particles > > Inorganic Static Patterns against other Inorganic Static Patterns > > Between Biological and Inorganic > > Between Biological and Biological > > Between Social and Biological > > Between Social and Inorganic > > Between Social and Social > > Between Intellectual and Social > > Between Intellectual and Biological > > Between Intellectual and Inorganic > > Between Intellectual and Intellectual > > Pirsig used the word "struggles" as well in describing these > interactions between levels: > > "First, there were moral codes that established the supremacy of > biological life over inanimate nature. Second, there were moral codes > that established the supremacy of the social order over biological > life-conventional morals-proscriptions against drugs, murder, > adultery, theft and the like. Third, there were moral codes that > established the supremacy of the intellectual order over the social > order-democracy, trial by jury, freedom of speech, freedom of the > press. Finally there's a fourth Dynamic morality which isn't a code. > He supposed you could call it a "code of Art" or something like that, > but art is usually thought of as a such a frill that that title > undercuts its importance. The morality of the brujo in Zuñi-that was > Dynamic morality.What was emerging was that the static patterns that > hold one level of organization together are often the same patterns > that another level of organization must fight to maintain its own > existence. Morality is not a simple set of rules. It's a very > complex struggle of conflicting patterns > of values. This conflict is the residue of evolution. As new > patterns evolve they come into conflict with old ones. Each stage of > evolution creates in its wake a wash of problems. > It's out of this struggle between conflicting static patterns that the > concepts of good and evil arise." > > I don't think he talks much about struggles within levels. > > Best, > Steve > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
