[Ham]
I said nothing about "worshiping", Mary, so please don't put me in the 
religious category.  The fundamental axiom of metaphysics is 'ex nihilo 
nihil fit' -- nothing comes from nothingness.  Not even the Big Bang emerged

from nothing.  Everything has a cause except the uncreated Source.  

[Krimel]
If the Big Bang doesn't get a pass on this one, why is your imaginary
friend, the uncreated source, immune?

[Ham]
We all "require a primary source" just to exist.  

[Krimel]
Sez who? 

[Ham]
My point of view is not attached to a "level"; it arises from my intuition 
and logic. 

[Krimel]
Oh! I see, you are just making things up to mess with us. At least you have
STFU about thermodynamics. Good call.



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