Sorry Krim, chapter 11 of what ? Ian
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Krimel <[email protected]> wrote: > Ian, > Come on dude, doesn't straddling the fence all of the time make your nuts > hurt. You know perfectly well Chapter 11 is chock full misconceptions and > misinformation. > Krimel > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Glendinning [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 6:24 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] The difference between a Monet and a finger painting > > Krim, Ant, John, > > I know Ant is already dialoguing with you Krim on evolutionary > biologists - but can I just say Dawkins and Gould are not leaders of > the pack when it comes to understanding the "as if" teleology at play. > I actually agree with Ant here. More enlightened evolutionary > psychologists and cosmologists ARE taking notice of the progressive > layered thinking inherhent in the Pirsigian model (even if Pirsig is > not acknowledged in this, because the ideas arise independently.) The > goal is a better understood world-view - I think Pirsig has had enough > of celebrity. > > "Unfortunate" is history. > We can also talk about "teleology" as a subject .... but must dash. > Ian > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Krimel <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ant, >> Would you agree that it is unfortunate that the MoQ excludes itself from >> mainstream evolutionary thinking as a result of Pirsig's lack of contact >> with say, Gould, Wilson or Dawkins? Doesn't his teleological view and his >> insistence on a "direction" for evolution cripple progress on the MoQ? > Would >> you care to comment on his failure to correct his mistakes in the Baggini >> interview? >> Krimel >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ant McWatt [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:43 PM >> To: moq discuss >> Subject: Re: [MD] The difference between a Monet and a finger painting >> >> >> Ian Glendinning stated January 19th 2010: >> >>> I'm reading Brian Boyd "On the Origin of Stories" at the moment, most >>> of which so far is on the history of arts generally from a natural >>> evolutionary perspective. >> >> >> Ant McWatt says: >> >> Ian, >> >> That's an interesting reference especially with its mention of Homer's >> "Odyssey". For anyone else interested here is part of the publisher's >> summary: >> >> >> On the Origin of Stories >> >> Evolution,Cognition, and Fiction >> >> >> Brian Boyd >> >> A century and a half after the publication of Origin of Species, >> evolutionary >> thinking has expanded beyond the field of biology to include virtually all >> human-related subjects—anthropology, archeology, psychology, economics, >> religion, morality, politics, culture, and art. Now a distinguished > scholar >> offers the first comprehensive account of the evolutionary origins of art >> and >> storytelling. Brian Boyd explains why we tell stories, how our minds are >> shaped >> to understand them, and what difference an evolutionary understanding of >> human >> nature makes to stories we love... >> >> After considering art as adaptation, Boyd examines Homer’s Odyssey and Dr. >> Seuss’s >> Horton Hears a Who! demonstrating how an evolutionary lens can offer new >> understanding and appreciation of specific works. What triggers our >> emotional >> engagement with these works? What patterns facilitate our responses? The >> need to >> hold an audience’s attention, Boyd underscores, is the fundamental problem >> facing >> all storytellers. Enduring artists arrive at solutions that appeal to >> cognitive >> universals: an insight out of step with contemporary criticism, which >> obscures >> both the individual and universal. >> >> http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/BOYORI.html >> >> >> >> . >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? 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