Dee Tee 26 Jan. David Thomas wrote: - > With you rounding up both Pirsig's responses on the issue, the point > is that he clarified himself to say the intellectual level did not > just evolve in one place, at one time, and only with S/O base. Which > is all I was trying to get you to agree to. [Bo before] > > No one has forwarded any argument about a non-intellectual Orient. > I just did. In an attempt to show you the consequences holding a > position that the emergence of the intellectual level is limited to > SOM and that it is a separate stage of evolution like, physical, > biological, or social. Which is the SOL premise. So the "no one" who I > am point to is you as the consequences of your premise.
The 4th level as the VALUE of the S/O distinction I hold as self-evident as the American Founding Fathers did the equality of all people. You seem locked into your fallacy of the 4th. level as some mental prowess - the lack of which makes people into half-witted morons - and as long as this state exist between us we are unable to communicate. > You have already claimed that Native Americans had no "intellect". > Which includes Aztecs, Mayan, Inca cultures to name a few. (RMP & me > disagree) But the bigger point is that the label "Oriental",which > Pirsig uses too, is a Eurocentric term for every culture East of it. Sure, point to intellectual patterns among the American Indians. Any democracy, independent judicial systems ...etc? The "US" Americans were just a nomadic tribal system, but just as intelligent as the Europeans who came over mind you. We have the Middle East in between and that's mainly a Muslim culture that fights intellectual value with fanatic will. The Orient is of course a huge area and immensely diversified, but I agree with Pirsig that the intellectual level were established here with the Uphanisadic period, however, it did NOT cement into a SOM before they went on to a Quality-like stage Buddhism-Taoism. > Essentially everybody else. Any current statement about basic reality > that excludes "intellect" from the majority of the human race is not > only misguided, it is sure to be interpreted as racist, and it is > scientifically, and in every other way, just plain wrong. Yes, this silly misunderstanding occurs if the term intellect is confused to mean INTELLIGENCE. Are you deaf?. How many times must I point to it to penetrate? Or has it become your "cause"?. > Does this mean that your position has never been held? Absolutely not > during the period that the term "Oriental" was created this was the > dominate paradigm of both science and the public. It was operating > system of colonial expansion. All others were subhuman. My guess is > you are not interested in going back to that paradigm. ????????????? And I don't feel much for continuing this Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
