Khaled, Craig, John, All 30 Jan:
Khaled: > Oops my bad it's, me and my brother against my cousin and me and my > cousin against the foreigner. Once you guys start bickering the Quality disappears. There must be something that characterizes the "Islam vs West" conflict - something beyond the political-sociological models and I think MOQ's level matrix does the job. But first of all "intellect" is the Rational attitude that scoffs at all God-like talk, nothing about intelligence which is equal to all humanity. Now according to the MOQ the social level's most refined patterns are the so-called Semitic type religions and all their sects and branches, and of these Jewdom is the origin with Islam and the Old Testament Christendom mere offshots. "Social quality" is characterized by the absence of any secular/religion schism or - better - intellect was what introduce the said schism to quench social value's power. Further, according to the MOQ, the lower level does not recognize any level above, thus social value merely regards intellect as destruction of VALUE ITSELF, hence the fierce resistance. Now to the Jews who are the enigmatic part of this. The state Israel was established from the Western democratic model but as the East European and American orthodox Jews started to migrate the notorious social value of Jewdom overwhelmed the intellectua value and the orthodox have now hijacked the parliamentary system and brought Israel back to the same "God's own people" status with license d to behave as disgustingly as they want. Occupying Palestinian territory, forcing them to leave houses and property in what they regard as "Judea & Samaria" area. This aspect is most clearly seen with the ultra-orthodox Jews who won't have any Israel state at all, only the Jewish type of "Umma" where Mosaic Law regulates people's behavior. Exactly as the Taleban. BTW the Israel vs Muslim neighborhood is no intellect vs social conflict but an intra.social one and as such the fiercest and most bloody because the individuals are supposed to sacrifice itself for THE CAUSE. I once sympathized with Israel from the traditional "a democratic outpost in a sea of Arab despotism" reasons, but now it has changed into a despotism worse than than its surroundings. The head-banging characters at the Wailing Wall are no better than the Hizbollahs and Ayathollas. Bodvar Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
