Arlo,
I must say it nice to think we agree. Marsha On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Arlo Bensinger wrote: > [Marsha] > I think the MoQ tolerates paradox because... > > [Arlo] > Agree. The passage you refer to is about encoding experience via symbolic > meaning. The "analytic knife" passage from ZMM also goes over this ground. > > "From all this awareness we must select, and what we select and call > consciousness is never the same as the awareness because the process of > selection mutates it." (ZMM) > > Pirsig goes on to explain what continues to escapte Platt. > > "To understand what he was trying to do it's necessary to see that part of > the landscape, inseparable from it, which must be understood, is a figure in > the middle of it, sorting sand into piles. To see the landscape without > seeing this figure is not to see the landscape at all." (ZMM) > > This sets the stage for his subsequent "All this is just an analogy" > statement, indeed, just as he comments on how Socrates would by lying if he > hadn't said this previously, so too does this hold true for HIS statements of > "truth". > > This is really not anything new, and was formalized by Godel's Incompleteness > Theorums. Language, like "mathematics", is also a formalized symbolic system > subject to these same limitations. It is not a failure of language, nor is it > "proof" of some absolute, but a mu-recognition that all symbolic systems > powerful enough to make meaningful descriptions of reality will always > contain the paradoxes of recursion and self-reference. I think that was what > Pirsig was talking about in the passage you provided. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
