Mark, What I was trying to point out was that my definition of an atheist leaves behind the question of does god exist or not exist. God becomes simply a static pattern of value, a static pattern of value that for me is not meaningful. That ends the existence problem.
Marsha On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:02 AM, MarshaV wrote: > > Mark, > > I'm saying the pattern/concept of 'god' is not meaningful. > > > Marsha > > > > On Feb 7, 2010, at 3:42 AM, markhsmit wrote: > >> Hi Marsha, >> You may find Ernst Cassirer's writings illuminating. >> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/cassirer/ >> especially the part on the philosophy of symbolic >> forms. There are similarities with MoQ. The reason >> I bring this guys name up is that he considered the >> intellect to be built on the foundations of the >> mythical consciousness. This type of consciousness >> would be at the root of our intellect. So to deny myth, >> is to deny that intellect exists (as least according >> to Cassirer). I equate this to Windows when it was >> based on DOS. Many people were in denial that >> it was built on the primitive DOS. I think that Cassirer >> makes a good argument, better than the argument >> that man-made myths are not meaningful. What >> makes something meaningful? >> >> Now, if one takes the relativistic view, all constructs >> are man-made. So I take it you are saying that as an >> athiest, things are not relative but that there is an >> absolute truth out there. This sounds kind of >> religious. >> >> What if God was not human-like, but a synthesis of >> all intelligences besides those that are made up >> of a few interconnected neurons in our heads. Our >> brain is quite simple and dwarfed by the complexity >> of planet earth, which could be considered much more >> intelligent than us. Or is intelligence only the human >> kind? >> >> Cheers, >> Mark >> >> On Feb 6, 2010, at 9:00 PM, markhsmit wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> Interesting that you would use a theistic concept to dismiss theism. >>> If atheist is the belief that there is no deity, it cannot exist >>> without theism, thus approving of it. It is maybe like two sides >>> of the same coin. What about the coin itself? >> >> >> mark, john, >> >> Here is the definition I like: Atheists are people who believe that god or >> gods >> (or other supernatural beings) are man-made constructs, myths and legends >> or who believe that these concepts are not meaningful. >> >> It has nothing to do with exist or not exist, but finding 'god' a pattern >> that is >> not meaningful. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
