John Good post, and here is a great link, that might also answer an earlier question you had on the other thread
[John] >Nah, that's not likely to happen. But what do you think happened, Khaled? >I mean, Islamic leadership in the golden age was guided by high quality >intellect, now it mostly seems to be centered upon demagoguery. [and now you pose the following question] [John] >When you think about your religion, as opposed to blindly following along >with it, you're doing an individual process AND an individuating process and >this process is termed "intellectual". >Thus, intellect is individual and religion is social. >This might seem to you, like it does to me, a "duh" sort of realization, but >for some reason it never occurred to me to formulate the conflict between the >two exactly like that before. I must be all this philosophical debate is >doing some good after all. I made a realization! >Religion is static. Intellect is dynamic. A religion that doesn't allow >intellectual questioning is doomed to become outmoded in time. [khaled] So tell me if this answers either question http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_philosophy about 50 lines down the article was this: ***************************************************** At the second century of the Hijra, a new movement arose in the theological school of Basra, Iraq. A pupil, Wasil ibn Ata, who was expelled from the school because his answers were contrary to then orthodox Islamic tradition and became leader of a new school, and systematized the radical opinions of preceding sects, particularly those of the Qadarites. This new school was called Mutazilite (from i'tazala, to separate oneself, to dissent). Its principal dogmas were three: God is an absolute unity, and no attribute can be ascribed to Him. Man is a free agent. It is on account of these two principles that the Mu'tazilites designate themselves the "Partisans of Justice and Unity". All knowledge necessary for the salvation of man emanates from his reason; humans could acquire knowledge before, as well as after, Revelation, by the sole light of reason. This fact makes knowledge obligatory upon all men, at all times, and in all places. ****************************************************** Khaled ____________________________________________________________ Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=10mhCHw1Ycw0LvKTzI3CnAAAJ1BoN5MIA846iJgpKACKCvEMAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARwAAAAA= Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
