Hi Ham, I'll check out the essay. National Socialism is also what I have thought we were tending to (for the short term, hopefully), which is why I once posted on the rise of such a system in Germany and its relation to what may be happening now. All that is really lacking now, is some kind of crisis so that the government can clamp down forcefully. This crisis can come in a number of ways, but one must be vigil of the White House's response so that freedom is not threatened. This has been seen, in a small way, by the response to the recession. More control and growth of gov.
Yes, intellect is not extracorporeal, it can't be, it is made by the biological brain. Do a little ablation and poof. I suppose it could be argued that the frontal cortex is merely channeling some cosmic intellect, beams from another planet maybe, but that does not work for me. Now Quality may be different. Quality provides for difference. Such difference allows choice. If there is ultimate purpose within, we may never know it except as it affects us. But, it could be a giant wave that we get to ride, or something like that. I know we differ in this opinion, and it may just be from perspective. I have seen Quality used for political purposes in this forum, which was the focus of my posts on the usefulness of Quality (many moons ago). Cheers, Mark On Feb 14, 2010, at 12:39:09 AM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> wrote: From: "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MD] Mao & The MoQ Date: February 14, 2010 12:39:09 AM PST To: [email protected] Hey, Mark -- > Hi Ham, > I believe there is a drive for the supremacy of the intellect. > This is one of the things that bothers me about MoQ. It > could be argued that Socialism is more intellectual than > Capitalism (maybe not argued well, but argued nonetheless). > The problem with control over all through the intellect > is that there are many contradicting intellects. A democracy > seems to allow for this, and appeals to the masses (who of > course cannot think for themselves) by the virtue of choices. It bothers me, too. But I think the problem with the MoQ is epistemological rather than political. It is impossible to discuss intellect or morality with those who regard these uniquely human functions as extracorporeal levels or patterns. Speaking of political arguments, I'm running one of the best essays on Socialism I've ever seen in my Values Page column this week. Jack Swift is an attorney experienced in constitutional as well as domestic law. Here is an excerpted paragraph in which he compares all the forms of collectivist rule: "Socialism or collectivism comes in various forms. If the means of collective control are exercised through regulation and direction by a central, national government, then the system is called national socialism. The German Nazis were such. If the peculiar method of control by the central, national government is through control of the nation's corporations, the system is an offshoot of national socialism known as fascism. Again, the German Nazis were such. If the means of collective control are exercised through ownership of the resources of production and direction for their use by a central, national government, the system is called communism. In the case of a number of the theocracies of the world, the actual control is shared between a church (Islam) and the state. In that peculiar circumstance, I call the arrangement Islamo-fascism. All of these are simply variations of the beast. In all its manifestations, socialism always entails government control of the means of production and distribution of its rewards outside the hands of those doing the producing or receiving the distributions." We tend to forget that America was established as a "democratic republic", not a pure democracy. (Our Founders were wise enough to anticipate the risks of mob rule.) Swift mentions this fact, too: "Finally there is something called democratic socialism which is probably the evil so dreaded by our founding fathers that they eschewed all reference to the word 'democracy.' This is the beast that has insinuated itself into our government and is the cause of our woes. To some it may satisfy their ideal of social justice but it is socialism none the less and it has failed." The full essay can be accessed all week at www.essentialism.net/balance.htm. Check it out and let me know what you think. Thanks, Mark. --Ham Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
