Hi Dave --

Platt leans to the right, DMB and many others here lean to the left.
RMP tried to straddle the fence but in the end he too leans towards the
socialist side of the spectrum. He defends socialism because in theory it's
intellectual, more moral, but lays it aside because by and large as
practiced it doesn't work. He defends capitalism because it works, but in
the same breath discounts it as less moral because it is not intellectual.
He is torn between his love of theory and his understanding that theories
are subject to the pragmatic test of how good they work. Nowhere is this
more crucial than at the social level.

I'm not an historian, but I don't see the basis for RMP's argument that Socialism is "more intellectual or moral" than Capitalism. Certainly these human qualities do not define the practice of the two contrasting political ideologies. F. A. Hayek points out that Socialism is "authoritarian" in that it makes property and the means of production subservient to government, whereas Capitalism is basically "democratic", respecting the right of individuals to own private property and the rewards of their own productivity.

"It is rarely remembered now that socialism in its beginnings was frankly authoritarian. It began quite openly as a reaction against the liberalism of the French Revolution. The French writers who laid its foundation had no doubt that their ideas could be put into practice only by a strong dictatorial government. The first of modern planners, Saint-Simon, predicted that those who did not obey his proposed planning boards would be 'treated as cattle.'

"Nobody saw more clearly than the great political thinker de Tocqueville that democracy stands in an irreconcilable conflict with socialism: 'Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom,' he said. 'Democracy attaches all possible value to each man,' he said in 1848, 'while socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number'. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude."

"To allay these suspicions and to harness to its cart the strongest of all political motives - the craving for freedom - socialists began increasingly to make use of the promise of a 'new freedom.' Socialism was to bring 'economic freedom,' without which political freedom was 'not worth ving.' --[Hayek: The Great Utopia]

I ask you, which is more "intellectual" -- a centralized government that holds all the power and controls the people as a collective society, or individuals who freely exercise their power to produce wealth and elect government officials to represent them?

Speaking for myself, even if it were true that centralized power and state control are necessary for an "optimally effective" economy, I would opt for the preservation of individual liberty and free enterprise. (Incidentally, Adam Smith was wrong "that the amount of the world's wealth remained constant and that a state could only increase its wealth at the expense of another state." People and resources, not the state, are the creators of wealth.)

As for all this talk about the "morality of Socialism" as opposed to the "greed of Capitalism", I suspect most of the MD participants privately would concur with me.

Thanks for this exposition, though, David. It is well done and obviously thought-provoking.

Best regards,
Ham
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