Hi Mati
As I've already pointed out, my main aim in my post directed at Bo was
to inform others that his project is not endorsed by Pirsig - I did this
because Bo persistently tries to imply that Pirsig is sympathetic to his
position and this is untrue.
I also get very annoyed when Bo, in order to promote his own version of
the MoQ, disrespects Pirsig in so many ways and portrays him as someone
who doesn't understand his own body of work. Only Bo truly understands
it and all others who don't agree with him are fools.
Bo's work rests entirely on his own interpretation of the MoQ and goes
beyond saying that SOM is the dominant thought pattern of the
Intellectual Level - his position is that is is the entirety of the
Intellectual Level. As this is the case he has to dismiss everything
that is counter to this position and in doing so distorts everything
that the MoQ is about. He has to do this because if there is a single
instance of an intellectual pattern that is not S/O derived then his
entire thesis is in tatters. This is apparently why mathematics is at
the Social level, similarly computer languages and even logic. The
eastern intellectual systems are treated similarly.
Bo has offered no philosophical basis for his interpretation and as such
his interpretation is no more than opinion. He consistently resorts to
abusive language when challenged on his position or refuses to engage,
continuing to disregard genuine disparities in his quest to show that
his is the one true interpretation of Pirsigs work. To my mind this is
intellectually dishonest.
Cheers
Horse
On 24/02/2010 04:52, KAYE PALM-LEIS wrote:
Horse,
But the main point is to point out to others on the list - especially those
new to the list - that Bo's little project is not endorsed or supported by
Pirsig - even though Bo keeps hinting and implying that it is.
Cheers
Horse
If there was one criticism of Bo approach which I agree on it is
Pirsig ain't presently buying into what Bo is proposing, then again he
hasn't endorsed much on the idea of intellect that has pushed this
discussion ahead. Pirsig is the only one that can speak directly to
that. That being said so much of Pirsig work in both ZMM and Lila in
my understanding gives a credence to what Bo is arguing, that path of
intellect as a static pattern is the path forged by the S/O divide.
No other Metaphysical consideration can match it. I have repeatedly
asked for a metaphysical premise that historically match what s/o
divide has done. If this is one I would have suspect it would have
been thrown on the table by now. Heck if there was, I couldn't
understand why Pirisg wouldn't have eluded to it by now. The fact is
the only metaphysical paradigm that Pirsig addresses in both ZMM and
Lila is SOM. I know that some believe that by accepting this premise
that it dismisses much of the Eastern philosophies that seems valued
by so many. Yes Eastern philosophies have an intellectual capacity,
but they are not static intellect pattern that delivered use from the
social level. It may be an issue of semantics, but I clearly see what
Bo has said for years and humbly endorse it until I can understand
otherwise. The way I see it is that Eastern thought has it's
contribution but not as as the static latch that s/o divide offered in
terms of intellect. Historically and philosophically speaking I can't
see it and I have tried, believe me I have tried.
Respectfully,
Mati
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