On 2/26/10 9:45 AM, "Horse" <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Arlo and Horse,

Mathematics is based in logic, SQ follows the definition of 1

DQ in being indefinable is outside of logic. DQ is not outside of
consciousness.  Imho consciousness describes DQ emotion and DQ intellect as
well as two further levels of evolution Higher emotional and Higher
intellectual in describing the actions of heroes, e.g. Pirsig.

Joe

> Spot on Arlo
> 
> On 26/02/2010 14:01, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:
>> Math is a fine example of this, where "2" went from iconic picto-glyph
>> "count"
>> marks to represent concrete iterations of, say, "cattle" to an abstract
>> "number" manipulated independently of any cattle (or anything else) which
>> paved
>> the way for algebra, geometry and calculus.
>> 
>> And this fits precisely with what Pirsig says about the intellectual level
>> being the skilled manipulation of symbols with no corresponding reality.
>>    
> 
> And here's another couple of mathematical concepts that have no
> corresponding reality:
> 
> 0
> 
> square root of -1
> 
> and there are a whole bunch of others, too numerous to mention, that are
> purely abstract, exist only at the intellectual level and are neither
> subject or object!
> 
> Horse


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