On 2/26/10 12:44 PM, "ARLO J BENSINGER JR" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Arlo, [Joe] Mathematics is based on SQ logic. SQ follows the definition of 1, DQ is indefinable hence outside of formal logic SQ. DQ is not outside of consciousness. Imho consciousness describes DQ emotion and DQ intellect as well as two further levels of evolution Higher emotional and Higher intellectual in describing the actions of heroes, e.g. Pirsig. [Arlo] Um, I have no idea what this means in relation to anything Horse or I had said here. Moreso, I really understand what you are trying to say here at all. "Higher emotion and Higher intellectual"? Heroes? [Arlo previously] > Math is a fine example of this, where "2" went from iconic picto- > glyph "count" marks to represent concrete iterations of, say, >"cattle" to an abstract "number" manipulated independently of any > cattle (or anything else) which paved the way for algebra, > geometry and calculus. > > And this fits precisely with what Pirsig says about the > intellectual level being the skilled manipulation of symbols with > no corresponding reality. [Joe] Mathematics is based in SQ logic, SQ follows the definition of 1. DQ logic is indefinable yet within SQ logic as perception is within conception. Imho DQ is consciousness is emotional (DQ only), intellectual (DQ/SQ), higher emotional (DQ only), higher intellectual (DQ only). The two latter levels in consciousness only describe the actions of heroes, e.g. Pirsig. [Arlo] Um, I have no idea what this means in relation to anything Horse or I had said here. Moreso, I really understand what you are trying to say here at all. "Higher emotion and Higher intellectual"? Heroes? [Joe] There is a logic of DQ/SQ, a Logic for DQ, a logic for SQ. They are not the same. In previous posts I have described seven levels in existence for evolution instead of four as an extension of Pirsig¹s description of evolution. Logic and metaphysics Mathematics is based in logic, SQ follows the definition of 1 DQ in being indefinable is outside of SQ logic. DQ is not outside of consciousness. Imho consciousness can perceive DQ emotion and DQ intellect as well as two further levels of DQ evolution, a Higher emotional and Higher intellectual levels in Consciousness only for describing the actions of heroes, e.g. Pirsig. > [Joseph] > Hi Arlo and Horse, Mathematics is based in logic SQ follows the definition of > 1 > DQ in being indefinable is outside of logic. DQ is not outside of > consciousness. Imho consciousness describes DQ emotion and DQ intellect as > well as two further levels of evolution Higher emotional and Higher > intellectual in describing the actions of heroes, e.g. Pirsig. > > [Arlo] > Um, I have no idea what this means in relation to anything Horse or I had said > here. Moreso, I really understand what you are trying to say here at all. > "Higher emotion and Higher intellectual"? Heroes? > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
