Andre asks Ham . . .
When do/did you 'start' being born and when do/did you 'start' dying?
Life is a process. Like all processes, it is perceived as having a beginning and an end and occurring in time. So you can say that you "start dying" from birth onward, and that you are "being born" until the day you stop becoming. But , no matter how you intellectualize the life-process, birth and death are experienced as separate events in the time continuum.
[Ham]:
All we can know is what we as subjects experience of an objective reality. Human thought and reasoning are necessarily limited to this experience. Intellect is indeed our capacity to reason. However, "attacking subject-object" to make it disappear is hardly the most propitious application of intellect I can think of.
[Andre]:
If this is your essentialist position then stay with it Ham. This is an MoQ discuss. Who or where does the MoQ postulate the necessary disappearance act of subject-object?
As I understand the MoQ, it postulates that subjects and objects are static "patterns of Quality" which have no reality. Yet, Quality (=Reality=Experience) is posited as undergoing the process of evolution to "betterness". The "disappearance act" in Pirsig's philosophy is the necessity of rejecting one kind of process --life/death of the subject -- while holding firmly to belief in another process -- Dynamic Quality. Inasmuch as all processes are time-dependent events, what makes Quality "real" as opposed to subjects-objects whose experienced reality is denied? How do you justify this logical inconsistency?
Thanks, Andre. --Ham Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
