Andre -- Let's recap, shall we?
On 3/9 at 1:25 PM, I admitted my unfamiliarity with Northrop, explaining why I regard any continuum as differentiated.
You said:
That's fine Ham, but then you are not using the term the way the MoQ uses it, or the way 'Eastern' philosophies use it...or Northrop for that matter.
[My conclusion -- Pirsig and Eastern philosopers use common terms in unconventional ways.]
You also said:
What is logically inconsistent about DQ/SQ? They have both dependently arisen Ham. Quality does not exist in and of itself like some veil hanging behind the static patterns... as some Absolute 'entity'. Quality is what accounts for the dynamic 'aha' moments leading the MoQ to allow for a better explanation of SQ 'evolution'.
[Conclusion -- Quality sparks new or "dynamic" ideas, while an idea itself is a static pattern.]
I then asked:
You stated above that DQ and SQ "have both dependently arisen." Arisen from WHAT? Dynamic and static notwithstanding, if Quality is not the primary source, what is it "dependent" on, and how can it "account for" evolution, existence, or anything else?
[Andre]:
Seems you are desparately looking for a 'first' Absolute Ham. The MoQ does not buy into that. You keep on looking for 'logical' explanations Ham. The SOM variety. I cannot provide you with those.
[Conclusion -- The MoQ rejects a first cause or primary source and has no use for logical explanations.]
[Ham]:
This hierarchy scheme is a persistent source of confusion to me. Each new explanation offered only compounds the problem.
[Andre]:
Within SOM ...yes.
But the relational S/O world (existence) is where logical rules are presumed to apply. If you can't explain SO logically, how am I expected to understand the MoQ?
[Andre, previously]:
Quality is what accounts for the dynamic 'aha' moments leading the MoQ to allow for a better explanation of SQ 'evolution'.
Andre, I've had 'Eureka!' moments of intuitive insight and ecstatic moments of aesthetic enjoyment. But I've yet to experience a dynamic 'aha' moment of an explanatory nature. If I ever have one, I can assure you I'll be able to explain it.
Thanks and regards, Ham Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
